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* new Honda CR-V break in - 16 messages, 4 authors
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* 2009 Odyssey Heater - 1 messages, 1 author
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* 2009 Civic Ex excessive road noise - 2 messages, 2 authors
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TOPIC: new Honda CR-V break in
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/t/e22c4e2539b2b72e?hl=en
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== 1 of 16 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 23 2010 9:45 pm
From: "Guy"
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:39:39 -0600, "Guy" <void@void.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:28:49 -0600, jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt,net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>jim beam wrote:
>>>
>>> On 01/23/2010 04:54 PM, jim wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > jim beam wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> /what/ iron in exhaust valves? you evidently didn't bother to read the
>>> >> exhaust valve alloy cite i gave you. you still carefully snipped it though.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I didn't see anything on that web page that would suggest your valves
>>> > are not mostly made of iron. you can google all you want, but the main
>>> > constituent of your valve is still iron.
>>>
>>> "you can google all you want, but the main constituent of your valve is
>>> still iron"
>>>
>>> translation: "you don't agree with facts, so you're just going to ignore
>>> them". way to go dude.
>>>
>>
>>I didn't ignore anything. The page contained a listing of different
>>types of steels used in valves.
>>
>>Can't you read the first sentence:
>>
>>"Valve Steels - Various steels are available, these include the
>>following:"
>
>
>
>
>Either I'm sleepy or my newsreader is messing up so I'll give this one
>more try to post to the correct person.....
>
>Jim, you're just too nice dealing with that dipshit (to use his own
>words). You know I don't recall with all his name calling, you ever
>called him back a name. You"re one helluva polite guy <g> !!!!
Looks to me like my newsreader is bad so I'm going to post this under
my name now......I'll figure what is wrong tomorrow morning.
Bottom line is Jim is just too nice and Jim Beam is a dipshit (using
his own words).
== 2 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 24 2010 7:56 am
From: jim beam
On 01/23/2010 07:28 PM, jim wrote:
>
>
> jim beam wrote:
>>
>> On 01/23/2010 04:54 PM, jim wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> /what/ iron in exhaust valves? you evidently didn't bother to read the
>>>> exhaust valve alloy cite i gave you. you still carefully snipped it though.
>>>
>>>
>>> I didn't see anything on that web page that would suggest your valves
>>> are not mostly made of iron. you can google all you want, but the main
>>> constituent of your valve is still iron.
>>
>> "you can google all you want, but the main constituent of your valve is
>> still iron"
>>
>> translation: "you don't agree with facts, so you're just going to ignore
>> them". way to go dude.
>>
>
> I didn't ignore anything. The page contained a listing of different
> types of steels used in valves.
>
> Can't you read the first sentence:
>
> "Valve Steels - Various steels are available, these include the
> following:"
nimonics aren't steels, dipshit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimonic
and for the steels, three of those listed aren't used any more! but for
the ones that are, read the alloy numbers, look them up and note their
alloying proportions. a massively dumbed down analogy for you [sic]: if
you mix charcoal with sand, how well does it burn? [rhetorical]
== 3 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 24 2010 7:57 am
From: jim beam
On 01/23/2010 09:45 PM, Guy wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:39:39 -0600, "Guy"<void@void.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:28:49 -0600, jim<"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt,net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 01/23/2010 04:54 PM, jim wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /what/ iron in exhaust valves? you evidently didn't bother to read the
>>>>>> exhaust valve alloy cite i gave you. you still carefully snipped it though.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't see anything on that web page that would suggest your valves
>>>>> are not mostly made of iron. you can google all you want, but the main
>>>>> constituent of your valve is still iron.
>>>>
>>>> "you can google all you want, but the main constituent of your valve is
>>>> still iron"
>>>>
>>>> translation: "you don't agree with facts, so you're just going to ignore
>>>> them". way to go dude.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I didn't ignore anything. The page contained a listing of different
>>> types of steels used in valves.
>>>
>>> Can't you read the first sentence:
>>>
>>> "Valve Steels - Various steels are available, these include the
>>> following:"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Either I'm sleepy or my newsreader is messing up so I'll give this one
>> more try to post to the correct person.....
>>
>> Jim, you're just too nice dealing with that dipshit (to use his own
>> words). You know I don't recall with all his name calling, you ever
>> called him back a name. You"re one helluva polite guy<g> !!!!
>
>
> Looks to me like my newsreader is bad so I'm going to post this under
> my name now......I'll figure what is wrong tomorrow morning.
>
> Bottom line is Jim is just too nice and Jim Beam is a dipshit (using
> his own words).
five posts to fuck up each and every time??? idiot drunken retard.
== 4 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 24 2010 8:25 am
From: jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt.net>
As I said before. There is nothing on that page that even vaguely suggests your
valves are not made from mostly iron . Eaton corp. makes the valves for North
American Hondas. and they say their automotive valves are steel (typically around 75%
iron). They do make some exotic alloys that are used for motorcycle valves but not
automobiles.
jim beam wrote: nothing meaningful
== 5 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 24 2010 9:13 am
From: jim beam
On 01/24/2010 08:25 AM, jim wrote:
> As I said before. There is nothing on that page that even vaguely suggests your
> valves are not made from mostly iron .
yes there is - look up the compositions for the alloy numbers!!!! and
having had this repeated to you multiple times, aren't you starting to
have the slightest suspicion that once alloyed, a material's properties
might change? otherwise, wouldn't we all be using pure elementals?
> Eaton corp. makes the valves for North
> American Hondas. and they say their automotive valves are steel (typically around 75%
> iron). They do make some exotic alloys that are used for motorcycle valves but not
> automobiles.
red herring. it doesn't matter /who/ makes them or /what/ you say they
say. fact is, these alloys comply with spec - as outlined in the cites
i gave you.
> jim beam wrote: nothing meaningful
fuck dude, even a single-celled organism is more receptive to learning
than you. you consistently snip and avoid everything that directly
contradicts you, and just keep on repeating the same ignorant bullshit.
why? [rhetorical] you may be bent because you don't like being shown
to be a retard, but there's no excuse for continuing to piss in the
knowledge pool with stuff that is just plain wrong.
== 6 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 24 2010 9:31 am
From: jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt.net>
I'll take the OEMs' word for it over your contorted and twisted logic as to how that web
page (plus some additional unspecified googling) tells you anything about Honda exhaust
valves.
jim beam once again wrote:
nothing meaningful.
== 7 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 24 2010 9:34 am
From: jim beam
On 01/24/2010 09:31 AM, jim wrote:
> I'll take the OEMs' word for it over your contorted and twisted logic as to how that web
> page (plus some additional unspecified googling) tells you anything about Honda exhaust
> valves.
dude, read the fucking cites. exhaust valve alloys are chosen because
of heat and burn resistance. end of story. stop your denial.
>
> jim beam once again wrote:
>
> nothing meaningful.
idiot.
== 8 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 24 2010 9:57 am
From: "Guy"
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 07:57:12 -0800, jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>On 01/23/2010 09:45 PM, Guy wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:39:39 -0600, "Guy"<void@void.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:28:49 -0600, jim<"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt,net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 01/23/2010 04:54 PM, jim wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /what/ iron in exhaust valves? you evidently didn't bother to read the
>>>>>>> exhaust valve alloy cite i gave you. you still carefully snipped it though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't see anything on that web page that would suggest your valves
>>>>>> are not mostly made of iron. you can google all you want, but the main
>>>>>> constituent of your valve is still iron.
>>>>>
>>>>> "you can google all you want, but the main constituent of your valve is
>>>>> still iron"
>>>>>
>>>>> translation: "you don't agree with facts, so you're just going to ignore
>>>>> them". way to go dude.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I didn't ignore anything. The page contained a listing of different
>>>> types of steels used in valves.
>>>>
>>>> Can't you read the first sentence:
>>>>
>>>> "Valve Steels - Various steels are available, these include the
>>>> following:"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Either I'm sleepy or my newsreader is messing up so I'll give this one
>>> more try to post to the correct person.....
>>>
>>> Jim, you're just too nice dealing with that dipshit (to use his own
>>> words). You know I don't recall with all his name calling, you ever
>>> called him back a name. You"re one helluva polite guy<g> !!!!
>>
>>
>> Looks to me like my newsreader is bad so I'm going to post this under
>> my name now......I'll figure what is wrong tomorrow morning.
>>
>> Bottom line is Jim is just too nice and Jim Beam is a dipshit (using
>> his own words).
>
>five posts to fuck up each and every time??? idiot drunken retard.
No that's you.
The problem is the software but I have yet to find the setting unless
it's built in. I doubt this will show correctly at my end after this
post is posted. Maybe it will show correctly at your end.
== 9 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 24 2010 10:02 am
From: jim beam
On 01/24/2010 09:57 AM, Guy wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 07:57:12 -0800, jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> On 01/23/2010 09:45 PM, Guy wrote:
>>> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:39:39 -0600, "Guy"<void@void.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:28:49 -0600, jim<"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt,net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 01/23/2010 04:54 PM, jim wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> /what/ iron in exhaust valves? you evidently didn't bother to read the
>>>>>>>> exhaust valve alloy cite i gave you. you still carefully snipped it though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't see anything on that web page that would suggest your valves
>>>>>>> are not mostly made of iron. you can google all you want, but the main
>>>>>>> constituent of your valve is still iron.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "you can google all you want, but the main constituent of your valve is
>>>>>> still iron"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> translation: "you don't agree with facts, so you're just going to ignore
>>>>>> them". way to go dude.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't ignore anything. The page contained a listing of different
>>>>> types of steels used in valves.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can't you read the first sentence:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Valve Steels - Various steels are available, these include the
>>>>> following:"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Either I'm sleepy or my newsreader is messing up so I'll give this one
>>>> more try to post to the correct person.....
>>>>
>>>> Jim, you're just too nice dealing with that dipshit (to use his own
>>>> words). You know I don't recall with all his name calling, you ever
>>>> called him back a name. You"re one helluva polite guy<g> !!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> Looks to me like my newsreader is bad so I'm going to post this under
>>> my name now......I'll figure what is wrong tomorrow morning.
>>>
>>> Bottom line is Jim is just too nice and Jim Beam is a dipshit (using
>>> his own words).
>>
>> five posts to fuck up each and every time??? idiot drunken retard.
>
> No that's you.
> The problem is the software but I have yet to find the setting unless
> it's built in. I doubt this will show correctly at my end after this
> post is posted. Maybe it will show correctly at your end.
/nothing/ you post shows correctly at my end - it's always looks like
retarded drivel of an attention-seeking idiot that can't wipe his own ass.
== 10 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 24 2010 10:52 am
From: "Guy"
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:02:16 -0800, jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>On 01/24/2010 09:57 AM, Guy wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 07:57:12 -0800, jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 01/23/2010 09:45 PM, Guy wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:39:39 -0600, "Guy"<void@void.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:28:49 -0600, jim<"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt,net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 01/23/2010 04:54 PM, jim wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /what/ iron in exhaust valves? you evidently didn't bother to read the
>>>>>>>>> exhaust valve alloy cite i gave you. you still carefully snipped it though.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I didn't see anything on that web page that would suggest your valves
>>>>>>>> are not mostly made of iron. you can google all you want, but the main
>>>>>>>> constituent of your valve is still iron.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "you can google all you want, but the main constituent of your valve is
>>>>>>> still iron"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> translation: "you don't agree with facts, so you're just going to ignore
>>>>>>> them". way to go dude.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't ignore anything. The page contained a listing of different
>>>>>> types of steels used in valves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can't you read the first sentence:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Valve Steels - Various steels are available, these include the
>>>>>> following:"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Either I'm sleepy or my newsreader is messing up so I'll give this one
>>>>> more try to post to the correct person.....
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim, you're just too nice dealing with that dipshit (to use his own
>>>>> words). You know I don't recall with all his name calling, you ever
>>>>> called him back a name. You"re one helluva polite guy<g> !!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Looks to me like my newsreader is bad so I'm going to post this under
>>>> my name now......I'll figure what is wrong tomorrow morning.
>>>>
>>>> Bottom line is Jim is just too nice and Jim Beam is a dipshit (using
>>>> his own words).
>>>
>>> five posts to fuck up each and every time??? idiot drunken retard.
>>
>> No that's you.
>> The problem is the software but I have yet to find the setting unless
>> it's built in. I doubt this will show correctly at my end after this
>> post is posted. Maybe it will show correctly at your end.
>
>/nothing/ you post shows correctly at my end - it's always looks like
>retarded drivel of an attention-seeking idiot that can't wipe his own ass.
>
You sound like you talk outa your ass.
== 11 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 24 2010 11:43 am
From: jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt.net>
jim beam wrote:
> On 01/24/2010 09:31 AM, jim wrote:
> > I'll take the OEMs' word for it over your contorted and twisted logic as to how that web
> > page (plus some additional unspecified googling) tells you anything about Honda exhaust
> > valves.
>
> dude, read the fucking cites. exhaust valve alloys are chosen because
> of heat and burn resistance. end of story. stop your denial.
>
You would have to say something first before I could deny it. You have said nothing.
== 12 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 24 2010 12:03 pm
From: "E. Meyer"
On 1/23/10 9:45 PM, in article LmP6n.5178$kQ5.2790@newsfe08.iad, "Greg"
<nospam@null.net> wrote:
>
>>>>> A CR-V will not require anything super dooper. When buying, look for an
>>>>> "Oil Change Special" (oil + filter) at the local parts store and call it
>>>>> good!
>>>>>
>>>> A US Market CR-V requires 5W20 weight oil per the mfr. You're not likely
>>>> to
>>>> find that at any "oil change special" unless its the Honda dealer. If you
>>>> run anything else in it, they could invalidate the warranty if there are
>>>> any
>>>> oil related engine problems.
>>>>
>>> The Oil Change specials at every place I have been to cover 5w20.
>>
>> OK & that is the point - make sure the "special" actually covers what your
>> car requires.
>
> Yea.... Buying the appropriate viscosity oil was sorta implied! :)
>
> I had places like Auto Zone and Kragen in mind; not the guy on the
> corner, selling who-knows-what out the back of his pickup!
I misread your intent. I was thinking the "$29.95 special" at quicky-lube
or similar where you don't have any idea what they're doing or using most of
the time.
== 13 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 24 2010 12:17 pm
From: jim beam
On 01/24/2010 11:43 AM, jim wrote:
>
>
> jim beam wrote:
>
>> On 01/24/2010 09:31 AM, jim wrote:
>>> I'll take the OEMs' word for it over your contorted and twisted logic as to how that web
>>> page (plus some additional unspecified googling) tells you anything about Honda exhaust
>>> valves.
>>
>> dude, read the fucking cites. exhaust valve alloys are chosen because
>> of heat and burn resistance. end of story. stop your denial.
>>
>
> You would have to say something first before I could deny it. You have said nothing.
>
wow, denial /and/ delusion!!!
idiot.
== 14 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 24 2010 12:23 pm
From: jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt,net>
jim beam wrote: nothing as usual
== 15 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 24 2010 12:39 pm
From: jim beam
On 01/24/2010 12:23 PM, jim wrote:
>
>
> jim beam wrote: nothing as usual
here, you snipped this:
"denial /and/ delusion!!!"
that makes you an idiot.
== 16 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 24 2010 12:45 pm
From: jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt.net>
Is this better:
jim beam wrote:
>
> "denial /and/ delusion!!!"
>
>
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TOPIC: 2009 Odyssey Heater
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/t/f8bc32418f5f599a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 24 2010 10:43 am
From: Gene S. Berkowitz
In article <EJK6n.2307$aU4.860@newsfe13.iad>, ppsn168@yahoo.com
says...
> I never warm the car up in the driveway, except to clear the windshield.
> I get in it and go, and expect when I hit the signal 1 mile away, I am
> getting some heat out of the vents, just like the other three cars I
> drive. It isn't happening on the Odyssey, until nearly the second mile.
>
> Tom
Be aware that when you select the windshield defroster, the air
conditioner kicks in to dehumidify the air blown on the glass.
This can lower the temperature of the heated air quite a bit, and
the drier air feels cooler (faster evaporation from your skin).
I think you can defeat the AC during defrost through certain
button-pressing combinations; check the owner's manual.
Also, do you have the rear-passenger controls enabled? You're
diverting a lot of heat to unoccupied space if you do...
--Gene
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TOPIC: 2009 Civic Ex excessive road noise
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/t/4366bc21ccff7c3a?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 24 2010 11:59 am
From: "E. Meyer"
On 1/23/10 6:14 PM, in article EhM6n.7162$CM7.5250@newsfe04.iad, "PE"
<ple@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Hi all: I have a 2009 Civic EX that I purchased new about 5 mos. ago. Love
> the car, but it has one feature that concerns me a bit, which is that the
> ride is excessively noisy at speeds above 35mph. It sounds, and sometimes
> feels through the steering wheel, like the effects that are typically
> experienced when driving over the metal grate surface of a draw bridge. It
> is sometimes so loud that it becomes difficult to hear the radio. The noise
> is muted considerably when driving over freshly applied smooth asphalt, and
> when the pavement is wet, so I'm thinking the noise might be from the tires
> on the pavement. I inquired at the dealership during the 5000 mi. service,
> but it was raining heavily that day and they declined to test drive it.
> I've read that road noise is loud in Civics, but what I've experienced seems
> excessive. Would appreciate any advice re. how to determine whether road
> noise described above is normal operating sound, or possibly symptomatic of
> problem or potential problem that will need to be addressed. Thanks for
> your replies!
>
>
Hondas are known for excessive road noise. Check any car reviews, its
always listed as a negative. You can ameliorate it some with different
tires, but it will never go away.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 24 2010 5:59 pm
From: dold@39.usenet.us.com
E. Meyer <e.p.meyer@verizon.net> wrote:
> Hondas are known for excessive road noise. Check any car reviews, its
> always listed as a negative. You can ameliorate it some with different
> tires, but it will never go away.
I've only had my Honda for six and half years, but one day, I intend to put
some sort of material, like the old spray on "undercoating", on the
backside of the plastic drum-skins that are used for the front fender
liners.
I've had a few different sets of tires, and they don't seem to make much
difference.
It's reasonably quiet on decent roads, but worn down tar and gravel is much
worse than it needs to be.
--
Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5
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