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TOPIC: Jobs overseas ? Who can we blame?
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 31 2010 10:10 pm
From: Gunner Asch
On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 19:34:02 -0700 (PDT), Raymond <Bluerhymer@aol.com>
wrote:
>One of the most famous "no bid contractors" is Halliburton.
>Since Bush and Cheney have been in the White House, Halliburton has
>received tens of billions of dollars of our money.
You are aware, are you not..that Clinton also used Halliburton as a No
Bid contractor, and he and the Democrats showered Halliburton with much
praise and lots and lots of government contracts.
Dont believe me? Then you are incredibly ignorant.....
Just a few examples.....
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze1tvxm/thepoliticalarena/The%20Truth%20About%20Halliburton.htm
http://www.randomjottings.net/archives/000091.html
September 19, 2003
Clinton sweetheart deal with Halliburton...
Rich Lowry pours a cold bucket of facts and truth on the smears against
the Halliburton Corporation. It won't make any difference to the
scoundrels who are deliberately spreading lies. But perhaps you RJ
readers will be interested:
...The Clinton administration made the same calculation in its own
dealings with Halliburton. The company had won the LOGCAP in 1992, then
lost it in 1997. The Clinton administration nonetheless awarded a no-bid
contract to Halliburton to continue its work in the Balkans supporting
the U.S. peacekeeping mission there because it made little sense to
change midstream. According to Byron York, Al Gore's
reinventing-government panel even singled out Halliburton for praise for
its military logistics work...
"...the U.S. Army Logistics Civil Augmentation Program, or LOGCAP... is
a multiyear contract for a corporation to be on call to provide whatever
services might be needed quickly..." Halliburton has frequently been the
low-bidder on LOGCAP, and both no-bid contracts were been made in the
context of many Halliburton low bids to do exactly the same things. The
idea that Dick Cheney just tossed a crony contract to his old firm is
rubbish spread by toads who get to sleep quietly at night because decent
Americans like Mr Cheney and the folks at Halliburton roll up their
sleeves and tackle horrible problems in faraway places. And if they are
well-paid for it, good! They deserve it. It doesn't look to me like they
are nearly as overpaid as the NGO's and multinational institutions that
the snivelers would prefer.
And imagine if the expected massive oil-field fires had actually
occurred, and our response had been delayed for even a week by red tape.
How the Bush haters would have crowed about the Administration's "lack
of planning."
"Confiscating wealth from those who have earned it, inherited it,
or got lucky is never going to help 'the poor.' Poverty isn't
caused by some people having more money than others, just as obesity
isn't caused by McDonald's serving super-sized orders of French fries
Poverty, like obesity, is caused by the life choices that dictate
results." - John Tucci,
== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 1 2010 2:21 am
From: Raymond
On Oct 31, 9:56 pm, John Galt <kady...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/31/2010 9:39 PM, ByeStander wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 15:15:31 -0700 (PDT), Raymond<Bluerhy...@aol.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Don't unions ultimately drive jobs offshore?
> >> In an economy based on competition, companies are driven to cut costs
> >> and increase profits in pretty much any way they can.
>
> >> This sets in
> >> place a "race to the bottom".
>
> > This is your premise - "race to the bottom". All of your remaining
> > post relies on this premise. If the premise is ends up being false,
> > or not universally true, than your entire argument collapses.
>
> > I challenge you on your premise. Please substantiate your reasoning
> > to support the conclusion that a job becomes a "race to the bottom".
>
> Agreed. It is more likely that it's a "race to the top."
>
> Complainants about the job offshoring all make a VERY QUESTIONABLE
> assumption, that being that IF the jobs had NOT been offshored, that the
> US companies that offshored their jobs would still be in business (or,
> even if in business, would not be shrinking due to foreign competition).
RE:" US companies that offshored their jobs would still be in
business (or,
even if in business, would not be shrinking due to foreign
competition)."
Foreign Competition ? The foreign competition is American companies
making product with foreign labor and exporting it to the USA.
Made in China may be on the product but the owners of the factories
and plants that made the item are generally American ...and let's
consider the tax base we are losing.
Can you see many Mexicans opening million dollar manufacturing
plants? Not hardly. They are lucky to be opening family operated
Taco shops. Whore houses are big employers in Mexico, especially
along the border of California and Arizona This is one product that
was not exported from the USA,. at least for now.
Rght now, 80 percent of global output is made in China and.
60 percent of Wal-Mart's total merchandise is imported.
Moreover, many US firms have simply moved to China,
and now export to America and other nations.The same is
true with Mexico.where companies have moved for cheap labor
This may be fine if the product sent back to the USA reflected
a savings to the American customer, but it doesn't. The
retail price is the same as it was when it was made in the US.
The difference? The company's profits are greater. As John Kasich,
running for governor of Ohio says, "That's what it's all about."
Millions of jobs have left our nation for countries like Mexico and
China
American Jobs? This list comes from Lou Dobbs as he is not happy
about this trend of us losing such a huge Tax Base not to mention
JOBS
Outsourcing is economic treason.
Here are some companies gone out of the USA
3Com
3M
A
Accenture
Adaptec
ADC
Adobe Systems
Advanced Energy Industries
Aetna
Affiliated Computer Services
A.G. Edwards
Agere Systems
Agilent Tech.
AIG
Alamo Rent A Car
Albertson's
Allen Systems Group
Alliance Semiconductor
Allstate
Alpha Thought Global
Amazon.com
AMD
American Express
American Household
American Management Systems
American Standard
Amphenol Corp.
Analog Devices
Andrew Corp.
Anheuser-Busch
AOL
Apple
Applied Materials
A.T. Cross Company
AT&T
AT&T Wireless
A.T. Kearney
Automatic Data Processing
Avanade
Avery Dennison
B
Bank of America
Bank of New York
Bank One
BearingPoint
Bear Stearns
Bechtel
BellSouth
Best Buy
Black & Decker
BMC Software
Boeing
Brocade
Bumble Bee
C
Cadence Design Systems
Capital One
Carrier
Cendant
Cerner Corporation
Charles Schwab
ChevronTexaco
CIBER
Ciena
Cigna
Circuit City, Inc.
Cisco Systems
Citigroup
CNA
Coca-Cola
Cognizant Technology Solutions
Columbia House
Comcast Holdings
Computer Associates
Computer Sciences Corporation
CompuServe
Continental Airlines
Convergys
Cooper Tire & Rubber
Cooper Tools
Countrywide Financial
COVAD Comm.
CSX
Cummins
Cypress Semiconductor
D
Dana Corporation
Delco Remy
Dell Computer
Delphi
Delta Air Lines
Direct TV
Discover
Document Sciences Corp.
Dow Chemical
Dun & Bradstreet
DuPont
E
Earthlink
Eastman Kodak
Eaton Corporation
EDS
Electroglas
Electronics for Imaging
Eli Lilly
EMC
Emerson Electric
En Pointe Technologies
Equifax
Ernst & Young
Ethan Allen
Evolving Systems
Expedia
ExxonMobil
F
Fair Isaac
Fedders Corporation
Federated Dept. Stores
Fidelity Investments
Financial Techologies International
First American Title Ins.
First Data
Fluor
Ford Motor
Franklin Mint
Franklin Templeton
Freeborders
Fruit of the Loom
G
Gateway
GE Capital
General Electric
General Motors
GlobespanVirata
Goldman Sachs
Goodrich
Google
Greenpoint Mortgage
Guardian Life Insurance
H
The Hartford Financial Services Group
HealthAxis
Helen of Troy Corp.
Hewitt Associates
Hewlett-Packard
The Holmes Group
Honeywell
HSN
Humana
I
IBM
iGate Corporation
IndyMac Bancorp
Infogain
Innodata Isogen
Innova Solutions
Intel
Intl. Paper
Intuit
Invacare
ITT Educational Services
J
Jabil Circuit
Jacobs Engineering
Jacuzzi
JDS Uniphase
Johnson Controls
Johnson & Johnson
JPMorgan Chase
Juniper Networks
K
KANA Software
Kaiser Permanente
Keane
KeyCorp
KLA-Tencor
Kraft Foods
Kulicke and Soffa Industries
Kwikset
L
Lawson Software
Lehman Brothers
Levi Strauss
Lexmark International
Lifescan
Lillian Vernon
Linksys
Lionbridge Technologies
LiveBridge
Lockheed Martin
Lowe's
Lucent
M
Maritz
Marshall Fields
Mattel
Maytag
McDATA Corporation
McKinsey & CO
Medtronic
Mellon Bank
Merrill Corporation
Merrill Lynch
Metasolv
MetLife
Microsoft
Monsanto
Morgan Stanley
Motorola
N
Nabco
National City Corporation
National Life
National Semiconductor
NCR Corporation
neoIT
NETGEAR
Network Associates
Newell Rubbermaid
New York Life Insurance Co.
Northwest Airlines
O
Office Depot
Ohio Art
ON Semiconductor
Oracle
OshKosh B'Gosh
Otis Elevator Co.
Outsource Partners International
Owens Corning
P
palmOne
Parker-Hannifin
Parsons E&C
Pearson Digital Learning
Pericom Semiconductor
Perot Systems
Pfizer
Pitney Bowes
Planar Systems
Portal Software
Pratt & Whitney
Primus Telecom
Procter & Gamble
ProQuest
Providian Financial
Prudential Insurance
Q
Quark
Qwest Comm.
R
Rainbow Technologies
Radio Shack
Rawlings Sporting Goods
Raytheon Aircraft
RCG Information Technology
Regence Group
Rogers
Rohm & Haas
RR Donnelley & Sons
Russell Corporation
S
Sabre
SAIC
Sallie Mae
Sanmina-SCI
SBC Comm.
SEI Investments
Siebel Systems
Sikorsky
SMC Networks
Solectron
Sovereign Bancorp
Sprint
Sprint PCS
Stanley Furniture
Stanley Works
Starkist Seafood
State Farm Insurance
State Street
StorageTek
StrategicPoint Investment Advisors
Sun Microsystems
SunTrust Banks
Supra Telecom
SurePrep
The Sutherland Group
Sykes Enterprises
Symbol Technologies
Synygy
T
Target
Tecumseh
Telcordia
Teleflex
TeleTech
Tellabs
Teradyne
Texas Inst.
Textron
Thrivent Financial for Lutherans
Time Warner
Tower Automotive
Toys "R" Us
Trans Union
Travelocity
Triquint Semiconductor
Tropical Sportswear
TRW Automotive
Tyco Electronics
Tyco Intl.
U
Union Pacific Railroad
Unisys
UnitedHealth Group Inc.
United Online
United Tech.
USAA
V
Valence Technology
VA Software
Veritas
Verizon
VF Corporation
Vishay
W
Wachovia Bank
Washington Group Intl.
Washington Mutual
WellChoice
Werner Co.
West Corporation
Weyerhaeuser
Whirlpool
Wolverine World Wide
WorldCom
Wyeth
X
Xpitax
Y
Yahoo!
www.cnn.com/lou
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1144493
> Gotta think the entire problem through. No US company ever wanted to
> offshore a job. It's a pain in the ass managing a workforce that's awake
> when you want to be asleep. They did so for a REASON; the
> anti-offshoring crowd all says the reason was "greed", without even a
> thought to look at the competitive issues involved.
>
> JG- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 1 2010 4:11 am
From: "C. E. White"
"Christine O'Donnell" <lilhornie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:31e4ee58-be17-4f8e-9a57-d5224ecdf82d@d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
> Can't blame the companies for not wanting to fork over outrageous
> union pay to millions of ignorant, unskilled bozos!
>
> What would YOU rather pay some fat, beer-gutted slob with a 7th grade
> education to tighten screws on a auto production line? Take your
> pick.
>
> UAW -- $36/hour.
>
> Foreign Company -- $8.25/hour.
>
> Now you know why the U.S. jobs are gone overseas -- forever.
>
> It's called global leveling.
>
>
>
>
> http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread469565/pg1
I'd rather not pay some bully with an MBA a seven figure salary for running
a company into the ground.
Ed
== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 1 2010 4:08 am
From: John Galt
On 11/1/2010 4:21 AM, Raymond wrote:
> On Oct 31, 9:56 pm, John Galt<kady...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 10/31/2010 9:39 PM, ByeStander wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 15:15:31 -0700 (PDT), Raymond<Bluerhy...@aol.com>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Don't unions ultimately drive jobs offshore?
>>>> In an economy based on competition, companies are driven to cut costs
>>>> and increase profits in pretty much any way they can.
>>
>>>> This sets in
>>>> place a "race to the bottom".
>>
>>> This is your premise - "race to the bottom". All of your remaining
>>> post relies on this premise. If the premise is ends up being false,
>>> or not universally true, than your entire argument collapses.
>>
>>> I challenge you on your premise. Please substantiate your reasoning
>>> to support the conclusion that a job becomes a "race to the bottom".
>>
>> Agreed. It is more likely that it's a "race to the top."
>>
>> Complainants about the job offshoring all make a VERY QUESTIONABLE
>> assumption, that being that IF the jobs had NOT been offshored, that the
>> US companies that offshored their jobs would still be in business (or,
>> even if in business, would not be shrinking due to foreign competition).
>
> RE:" US companies that offshored their jobs would still be in
> business (or,
> even if in business, would not be shrinking due to foreign
> competition)."
>
> Foreign Competition ? The foreign competition is American companies
> making product with foreign labor and exporting it to the USA.
In some cases. This was more true before US demand dropped off a cliff.
> Made in China may be on the product but the owners of the factories
> and plants that made the item are generally American ...and let's
> consider the tax base we are losing.
Not "generally" at all. US demand continues to fall, developing market
demand continues to rise.
We're not the dog anymore. We're the tail. They wag us.
JG
>
> Can you see many Mexicans opening million dollar manufacturing
> plants? Not hardly. They are lucky to be opening family operated
> Taco shops. Whore houses are big employers in Mexico, especially
> along the border of California and Arizona This is one product that
> was not exported from the USA,. at least for now.
>
> Rght now, 80 percent of global output is made in China and.
> 60 percent of Wal-Mart's total merchandise is imported.
> Moreover, many US firms have simply moved to China,
> and now export to America and other nations.The same is
> true with Mexico.where companies have moved for cheap labor
> This may be fine if the product sent back to the USA reflected
> a savings to the American customer, but it doesn't. The
> retail price is the same as it was when it was made in the US.
> The difference? The company's profits are greater. As John Kasich,
> running for governor of Ohio says, "That's what it's all about."
>
> Millions of jobs have left our nation for countries like Mexico and
> China
> American Jobs? This list comes from Lou Dobbs as he is not happy
> about this trend of us losing such a huge Tax Base not to mention
> JOBS
>
> Outsourcing is economic treason.
>
> Here are some companies gone out of the USA
>
> 3Com
> 3M
>
> A
> Accenture
> Adaptec
> ADC
> Adobe Systems
> Advanced Energy Industries
> Aetna
> Affiliated Computer Services
> A.G. Edwards
> Agere Systems
> Agilent Tech.
> AIG
> Alamo Rent A Car
> Albertson's
> Allen Systems Group
> Alliance Semiconductor
> Allstate
> Alpha Thought Global
> Amazon.com
> AMD
> American Express
> American Household
> American Management Systems
> American Standard
> Amphenol Corp.
> Analog Devices
> Andrew Corp.
> Anheuser-Busch
> AOL
> Apple
> Applied Materials
> A.T. Cross Company
> AT&T
> AT&T Wireless
> A.T. Kearney
> Automatic Data Processing
> Avanade
> Avery Dennison
>
> B
> Bank of America
> Bank of New York
> Bank One
> BearingPoint
> Bear Stearns
> Bechtel
> BellSouth
> Best Buy
> Black& Decker
> BMC Software
> Boeing
> Brocade
> Bumble Bee
>
> C
> Cadence Design Systems
> Capital One
> Carrier
> Cendant
> Cerner Corporation
> Charles Schwab
> ChevronTexaco
> CIBER
> Ciena
> Cigna
> Circuit City, Inc.
> Cisco Systems
> Citigroup
> CNA
> Coca-Cola
> Cognizant Technology Solutions
> Columbia House
> Comcast Holdings
> Computer Associates
> Computer Sciences Corporation
> CompuServe
> Continental Airlines
> Convergys
> Cooper Tire& Rubber
> Cooper Tools
> Countrywide Financial
> COVAD Comm.
> CSX
> Cummins
> Cypress Semiconductor
>
> D
> Dana Corporation
> Delco Remy
> Dell Computer
> Delphi
> Delta Air Lines
> Direct TV
> Discover
> Document Sciences Corp.
> Dow Chemical
> Dun& Bradstreet
> DuPont
>
> E
> Earthlink
> Eastman Kodak
> Eaton Corporation
> EDS
> Electroglas
> Electronics for Imaging
> Eli Lilly
> EMC
> Emerson Electric
> En Pointe Technologies
> Equifax
> Ernst& Young
> Ethan Allen
> Evolving Systems
> Expedia
> ExxonMobil
>
> F
> Fair Isaac
> Fedders Corporation
> Federated Dept. Stores
> Fidelity Investments
> Financial Techologies International
> First American Title Ins.
> First Data
> Fluor
> Ford Motor
> Franklin Mint
> Franklin Templeton
> Freeborders
> Fruit of the Loom
>
> G
> Gateway
> GE Capital
> General Electric
> General Motors
> GlobespanVirata
> Goldman Sachs
> Goodrich
> Google
> Greenpoint Mortgage
> Guardian Life Insurance
>
> H
> The Hartford Financial Services Group
> HealthAxis
> Helen of Troy Corp.
> Hewitt Associates
> Hewlett-Packard
> The Holmes Group
> Honeywell
> HSN
> Humana
>
> I
> IBM
> iGate Corporation
> IndyMac Bancorp
> Infogain
> Innodata Isogen
> Innova Solutions
> Intel
> Intl. Paper
> Intuit
> Invacare
> ITT Educational Services
>
> J
> Jabil Circuit
> Jacobs Engineering
> Jacuzzi
> JDS Uniphase
> Johnson Controls
> Johnson& Johnson
> JPMorgan Chase
> Juniper Networks
>
> K
> KANA Software
> Kaiser Permanente
> Keane
> KeyCorp
> KLA-Tencor
> Kraft Foods
> Kulicke and Soffa Industries
> Kwikset
>
> L
> Lawson Software
> Lehman Brothers
> Levi Strauss
> Lexmark International
> Lifescan
> Lillian Vernon
> Linksys
> Lionbridge Technologies
> LiveBridge
> Lockheed Martin
> Lowe's
> Lucent
>
> M
> Maritz
> Marshall Fields
> Mattel
> Maytag
> McDATA Corporation
> McKinsey& CO
> Medtronic
> Mellon Bank
> Merrill Corporation
> Merrill Lynch
> Metasolv
> MetLife
> Microsoft
> Monsanto
> Morgan Stanley
> Motorola
>
> N
> Nabco
> National City Corporation
> National Life
> National Semiconductor
> NCR Corporation
> neoIT
> NETGEAR
> Network Associates
> Newell Rubbermaid
> New York Life Insurance Co.
> Northwest Airlines
>
> O
> Office Depot
> Ohio Art
> ON Semiconductor
> Oracle
> OshKosh B'Gosh
> Otis Elevator Co.
> Outsource Partners International
> Owens Corning
>
> P
> palmOne
> Parker-Hannifin
> Parsons E&C
> Pearson Digital Learning
> Pericom Semiconductor
> Perot Systems
> Pfizer
> Pitney Bowes
> Planar Systems
> Portal Software
> Pratt& Whitney
> Primus Telecom
> Procter& Gamble
> ProQuest
> Providian Financial
> Prudential Insurance
>
> Q
> Quark
> Qwest Comm.
>
> R
> Rainbow Technologies
> Radio Shack
> Rawlings Sporting Goods
> Raytheon Aircraft
> RCG Information Technology
> Regence Group
> Rogers
> Rohm& Haas
> RR Donnelley& Sons
> Russell Corporation
>
> S
> Sabre
> SAIC
> Sallie Mae
> Sanmina-SCI
> SBC Comm.
> SEI Investments
> Siebel Systems
> Sikorsky
> SMC Networks
> Solectron
> Sovereign Bancorp
> Sprint
> Sprint PCS
> Stanley Furniture
> Stanley Works
> Starkist Seafood
> State Farm Insurance
> State Street
> StorageTek
> StrategicPoint Investment Advisors
> Sun Microsystems
> SunTrust Banks
> Supra Telecom
> SurePrep
> The Sutherland Group
> Sykes Enterprises
> Symbol Technologies
> Synygy
>
> T
> Target
> Tecumseh
> Telcordia
> Teleflex
> TeleTech
> Tellabs
> Teradyne
> Texas Inst.
> Textron
> Thrivent Financial for Lutherans
> Time Warner
> Tower Automotive
> Toys "R" Us
> Trans Union
> Travelocity
> Triquint Semiconductor
> Tropical Sportswear
> TRW Automotive
> Tyco Electronics
> Tyco Intl.
>
> U
> Union Pacific Railroad
> Unisys
> UnitedHealth Group Inc.
> United Online
> United Tech.
> USAA
>
> V
> Valence Technology
> VA Software
> Veritas
> Verizon
> VF Corporation
> Vishay
>
> W
> Wachovia Bank
> Washington Group Intl.
> Washington Mutual
> WellChoice
> Werner Co.
> West Corporation
> Weyerhaeuser
> Whirlpool
> Wolverine World Wide
> WorldCom
> Wyeth
>
> X
> Xpitax
>
> Y
> Yahoo!
> www.cnn.com/lou
>
> http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1144493
>
>
>
>> Gotta think the entire problem through. No US company ever wanted to
>> offshore a job. It's a pain in the ass managing a workforce that's awake
>> when you want to be asleep. They did so for a REASON; the
>> anti-offshoring crowd all says the reason was "greed", without even a
>> thought to look at the competitive issues involved.
>>
>> JG- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 1 2010 8:43 am
From: "TE Cheah" <4ws@gmail.com>
| Outsourcing is economic treason.
Easy to accuse, truth is businesses must lower production costs to
compete & stay in business, e.g. Motorola must compete with Nokia /
Sony / Sagem etc., Seagate & Western Digital with Samsung / Hitachi,
Intel & AMD with Motorola / VIA / SiS / nVidia.
Your govnmnt has forced them to pay minimum wage, payrol tax, health
insurance, to please voters @ businesses' expense. Your govnmnt can
scrap all 3, & lower US$, to win them back.
Your fatsos ( can't move fast, sick often ) better slim down, if they want
a job.
== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 1 2010 9:25 am
From: Dan
On 10/31/2010 7:39 PM, ByeStander wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 15:15:31 -0700 (PDT), Raymond<Bluerhymer@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Don't unions ultimately drive jobs offshore?
>> In an economy based on competition, companies are driven to cut costs
>> and increase profits in pretty much any way they can.
>>
>> This sets in
>> place a "race to the bottom".
>
> This is your premise - "race to the bottom". All of your remaining
> post relies on this premise. If the premise is ends up being false,
> or not universally true, than your entire argument collapses.
>
> I challenge you on your premise. Please substantiate your reasoning
> to support the conclusion that a job becomes a "race to the bottom".
Considering 90+% o the jobs sent overseas were NOT union jobs, and a
sizable % are now professional jobs, the premise is like most
rightwingnut lore, too stupid for thinking people to believe.
Rightwingnuts - the very definition of insane.
Dan
== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 1 2010 9:30 am
From: Dan
On 10/31/2010 10:10 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 19:34:02 -0700 (PDT), Raymond<Bluerhymer@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>> One of the most famous "no bid contractors" is Halliburton.
>> Since Bush and Cheney have been in the White House, Halliburton has
>> received tens of billions of dollars of our money.
>
> You are aware, are you not..that Clinton also used Halliburton as a No
> Bid contractor, and he and the Democrats showered Halliburton with much
> praise and lots and lots of government contracts.
And?
Most of us know the Democrats are FAR less than perfect. WE are also
aware, unlike you, that the Republicans are FAR worse in most those very
areas, and move us far slower away from the country the founders envisioned
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