Saturday, February 19, 2011

alt.autos - 5 new messages in 2 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Help! Stalling problem the mechancs can't figure out. (I'm desperate!) - 2
messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos/t/818559d7320695b3?hl=en
* *** WARNING *** DON'T BUY A HYUNDAI ACCENT! They're Hyundai's [And America's]
Answer To The YUGO! - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos/t/8b293a77529d8c2e?hl=en

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TOPIC: Help! Stalling problem the mechancs can't figure out. (I'm desperate!)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos/t/818559d7320695b3?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 17 2011 10:11 pm
From: cselby@mts.net


On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 11:14:24 -0800 (PST), geraldrm@earthlink.net
wrote:

>I'd be very grateful if someone could suggest a solution to my
>stalling problem. The problem is chronic stalling even when driving
>at highway speeds. The car is a 1995 Ford Probe (Mazda hybrid). It
>has had a recent full tuneup, alternator belt, gasket valve,
>distributor coil, battery boost, and they tell me the engine wires are
>not corroded. The battery is only 2 years old. Two different service
>stations spent lots of time on it and couldn't find the problem.
>
>The computer codes are gibberish, I guess because the car is old. The
>check engine light can't be coded because it is never on while the car
>is idling.

If this car were mine, I'd start by disconnecting all the
plugs(connectors - not spark plug wires) under the hood from the
distributer to the engine module. Inspect them for any white or green
corrosion, pack them with dielectric grease and reconnect. Then I
would look for all the ground connections, unscrew them, sand the
metal down that they screw into, clean the wire ends, smear them with
dielectric grease and reconnect.

Sounds like a bad connection somewhere that is either dirty, corroded
or vibrating loose.

The computer codes are not gibberish. They will tell,you which
circuit is acting up. They may be pre OBDII but they are still valid.
Maybe you should post them for a better idea of where to look.

P

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 18 2011 8:24 am
From: "Bill"


> Two different service
> stations spent lots of time on it and couldn't find the problem.
>

Were these Ford dealers?

If not, try Ford. They would have the factory service documentation,
the test equipment to read the computer codes, and the training to
work on the car.


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TOPIC: *** WARNING *** DON'T BUY A HYUNDAI ACCENT! They're Hyundai's [And
America's] Answer To The YUGO!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos/t/8b293a77529d8c2e?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 18 2011 5:54 am
From: Bert Hyman


In news:08b190e4-e853-4b61-a187-1a5e53305e26@o8g2000vbq.googlegroups.com
SalamiSam <perryneheum@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Four-door. Tight squeeze for three-and-one-half persons.

You didn't get in the car before buying one?

> Corners like your wagon that you pulled when you were six!
>
> Noise? Over 30 mph it sounds as if there's a big hole in the floor.

You didn't take it for a test drive before buying one?

> No in-dash temperature gauge -- and no explanation why from Hyundai
> headquarters or the dealer.

You didn't get in the car or take a test drive before buying one?

--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 18 2011 2:26 pm
From: "tww1491"


"SalamiSam" wrote in message
news:08b190e4-e853-4b61-a187-1a5e53305e26@o8g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...

Sorry Hyundai lovers, but the South Koreans are NOT Japanese when it
comes to auto manufacturing.

And another 'sorry' -- that I foolishly BOUGHT an Accent a few months
ago! As an economy car, short trips.

$14,000 ... !

Cash back? Forget it.

Four-door. Tight squeeze for three-and-one-half persons.

Corners like your wagon that you pulled when you were six!

Noise? Over 30 mph it sounds as if there's a big hole in the floor.

No in-dash temperature gauge -- and no explanation why from Hyundai
headquarters or the dealer.

Engine warms up -- but only after 12-to-14 minutes idling.

Gets about 26 mpg highway, 8- to 9-mpg less than advertised.

Handling, ease, engine ambiance -- make me think this devil will start
to give up after 30- 35,000 miles, if that!


As a longtime Honda owner (06 Accord I4 Coupe, 03 Pilot and 09 CRV
currently) I have been viewing with interest what has been happening with
Hyundai and Kia. Supposedly, they offer great value at less cost than
Honda. In area the Sonata is about the same price overall as an Accord. In
fact, with incentives, you can buy an Accord V6 with leather for about the
same price as the Hyundai turbo. However, my 06 Accord coupe only has 75k
miles on it -- which considering the reliability of Honda would put me in
the car market in about 5 years. Wonder who will be ahead then.

DON'T SAY YOU WEREN'T WARNED!

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 18 2011 3:13 pm
From: dsi1


On 2/18/2011 12:26 PM, tww1491 wrote:
>
>
> "SalamiSam" wrote in message
> news:08b190e4-e853-4b61-a187-1a5e53305e26@o8g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
>
> Sorry Hyundai lovers, but the South Koreans are NOT Japanese when it
> comes to auto manufacturing.
>
> And another 'sorry' -- that I foolishly BOUGHT an Accent a few months
> ago! As an economy car, short trips.
>
> $14,000 ... !
>
> Cash back? Forget it.
>
> Four-door. Tight squeeze for three-and-one-half persons.
>
> Corners like your wagon that you pulled when you were six!
>
> Noise? Over 30 mph it sounds as if there's a big hole in the floor.
>
> No in-dash temperature gauge -- and no explanation why from Hyundai
> headquarters or the dealer.
>
> Engine warms up -- but only after 12-to-14 minutes idling.
>
> Gets about 26 mpg highway, 8- to 9-mpg less than advertised.
>
> Handling, ease, engine ambiance -- make me think this devil will start
> to give up after 30- 35,000 miles, if that!
>
>
> As a longtime Honda owner (06 Accord I4 Coupe, 03 Pilot and 09 CRV
> currently) I have been viewing with interest what has been happening
> with Hyundai and Kia. Supposedly, they offer great value at less cost
> than Honda. In area the Sonata is about the same price overall as an
> Accord. In fact, with incentives, you can buy an Accord V6 with leather
> for about the same price as the Hyundai turbo. However, my 06 Accord
> coupe only has 75k miles on it -- which considering the reliability of
> Honda would put me in the car market in about 5 years. Wonder who will
> be ahead then.
>

My guess is that it'll be a Korean car. My 2006 has ESC and a pretty
comprehensive set of 6 airbags. My assumption is that these safety
features were not available from Honda in O6. OTOH, the car has a 235 HP
V6 which might be overkill in this market. The low-profile high-speed
rated tires are going to be expensive to replace. The thing I love about
the Sonata is the interior space - my Camry feels like a tiny car in
comparison. The Hyundai surprisingly has a higher quality feel in
interior design and construction. The truth is that Hyundai and Kia are
below most people's level of awareness but I suspect that 2011 will
change everything.

>
>
> DON'T SAY YOU WEREN'T WARNED!
>
>
>
>
>

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