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* best OBD II scanner for 2003 Accord or newer Hondas - 3 messages, 3 authors
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* Outlandish Particle Periodic Table update IX - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: best OBD II scanner for 2003 Accord or newer Hondas
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/t/2d8348b3940cf906?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 24 2009 6:43 am
From: "Stewart"
"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.3@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message
news:slrnhj4rmn.7j3.aznomad.3@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net...
> On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 07:57:05 -0800, Stewart <gortamus@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>"Guy" <void@void.com> wrote in message
>>news:6be1j5916685unm27kkbusgu6q7rhd317t@4ax.com...
>>> I'm thinking of buying a scanner for my 2003 4cyl Accord LX but
>>> also
>>> want to be able to use it on any newer Hondas I might buy. Any
>>> recommendations for a non-mechanic ?
>>>
>>> Also, on the 2003 Accord, where will this plug in? Thanks.
>
>>I wonder why they just don't put a USB interface in the cars
>>already,
>>then distribute a program that would read the codes and dive
>>directly
>>into the troubleshooting of the code based on the car ID.
>
> It is the same reason they don't include shop manuals or free
> lifetime
> maintainance with every car. They have no motivation to do so.
>
Maybe it will require an act of congress.....
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 26 2009 11:36 am
From: jim beam
On 12/23/2009 08:21 AM, jim beam wrote:
> On 12/23/2009 07:57 AM, Stewart wrote:
>> "Guy"<void@void.com> wrote in message
>> news:6be1j5916685unm27kkbusgu6q7rhd317t@4ax.com...
>>> I'm thinking of buying a scanner for my 2003 4cyl Accord LX but also
>>> want to be able to use it on any newer Hondas I might buy. Any
>>> recommendations for a non-mechanic ?
>>>
>>> Also, on the 2003 Accord, where will this plug in? Thanks.
>>
>> I wonder why they just don't put a USB interface in the cars already,
>> then distribute a program that would read the codes and dive directly
>> into the troubleshooting of the code based on the car ID.
>>
>>
>
> car manufacturers fought a common obd standard tooth and nail. its
> existence is one of the few instances where government actually got it
> right and could see that fully proprietary coding would be the ultimate
> in lock-in device and end up costing the consumer up the wazoo. it would
> also put all the independent repair shops out of business overnight,
> which is ultimately why we have what we have today.
>
> but the car manufacturers still don't like it. the intent of obd has
> been diluted with all the tier two codes, the "proprietary" codes, which
> are completely inconsistent. iow, manufacturers, with constant lobbying
> and back-door influence, want to make it difficult and more expensive
> for a mom & pop garage to exist, and keep the vehicle coming back to the
> dealer. you can expect that trend to continue - the nature of politics,
> influence and business interests being what they are, a fully
> "universal", accessible-by-anyone software interface will simply never
> exist.
>
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091226/ap_on_bi_ge/us_independent_mechanics
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 26 2009 3:45 pm
From: Jim Yanik
jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:jfmdnQ3Ai81Y-
KvWnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@speakeasy.net:
> On 12/23/2009 08:21 AM, jim beam wrote:
>> On 12/23/2009 07:57 AM, Stewart wrote:
>>> "Guy"<void@void.com> wrote in message
>>> news:6be1j5916685unm27kkbusgu6q7rhd317t@4ax.com...
>>>> I'm thinking of buying a scanner for my 2003 4cyl Accord LX but also
>>>> want to be able to use it on any newer Hondas I might buy. Any
>>>> recommendations for a non-mechanic ?
>>>>
>>>> Also, on the 2003 Accord, where will this plug in? Thanks.
>>>
>>> I wonder why they just don't put a USB interface in the cars already,
>>> then distribute a program that would read the codes and dive directly
>>> into the troubleshooting of the code based on the car ID.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> car manufacturers fought a common obd standard tooth and nail. its
>> existence is one of the few instances where government actually got it
>> right and could see that fully proprietary coding would be the ultimate
>> in lock-in device and end up costing the consumer up the wazoo. it would
>> also put all the independent repair shops out of business overnight,
>> which is ultimately why we have what we have today.
>>
>> but the car manufacturers still don't like it. the intent of obd has
>> been diluted with all the tier two codes, the "proprietary" codes, which
>> are completely inconsistent. iow, manufacturers, with constant lobbying
>> and back-door influence, want to make it difficult and more expensive
>> for a mom & pop garage to exist, and keep the vehicle coming back to the
>> dealer. you can expect that trend to continue - the nature of politics,
>> influence and business interests being what they are, a fully
>> "universal", accessible-by-anyone software interface will simply never
>> exist.
>>
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091226/ap_on_bi_ge/us_independent_mechanics
>
>
>
Just wait until integrated console controls become widespread.
Where a LCD display,touchscreen and microprocessor controls your dash,your
radio,heater,AC,NAV system.etc.
strictly company specific(custom),and once it's out of
production;irreplacable and the death of your car.
Planned obsolesence.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com
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TOPIC: Outlandish Particle Periodic Table update IX
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/t/68f069b4cf236cc2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 26 2009 5:55 am
From: Tony Lance
Big Bertha Thing outlandish
OUTLANDISH PARTICLE PERIODIC TABLE
By Tony Lance Dip.Math(Open) 19th December 2009
Update IX from http://www.tonylance.talktalk.net/structur.html
.510998902 1.0D-09 1 1 80305 1 3224486665 1.0 SLC
For full table see link:-
http://www.tonylance.talktalk.net/aspire.html
username outlandish
password spirebell
Thany you
Tony Lance
tonylance@myinternetuk.com
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