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* 6th gen Civic MT oil change interval: conflicting data. - 1 messages, 1
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* 2003 Honda Accord SRS indicator light - 6 messages, 4 authors
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TOPIC: 6th gen Civic MT oil change interval: conflicting data.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 27 2010 4:10 am
From: ACAR
On Apr 27, 12:33 am, Kaz Kylheku <kkylh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> The Civic service manual recommends, in its maintenance schedule for the
> 1997 model, a 30,000 mile change interval for MT oil; the change
> interval is exactly the same as for the AT and the CVT.
>
> However, for the 1996 and the 1998 models, it does not
> call for a MT oil change until 90,000 miles.
>
> Huh?
I put Red Line MTL in my 5-speed Legend, never changed it in 120,000
miles/15 years and the trans worked fine all that time.
Maybe Honda switched to a synthetic fluid and modified their service
interval. 90K miles seems reasonable for synthetic trans fluid.
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TOPIC: 2003 Honda Accord SRS indicator light
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 1:36 pm
From: "Guy"
If I start my car before I put my seat belt on, my SRS indicator light
comes on and stays on no matter whether I wear the belt or not. If I
put my seat belt on first before I start the engine, no indicator
light (normal status). I called my local Honda dealer and they told
me that if the indicator light has to do with seat belt tensioners,
it's under a recall but they want $103 to read the codes. I think it
will be no charge to me if the codes say seat belt tensioner only.
Does anyone know if I go to Autozone to have them read my codes, can
their reader tell me if this indicator light has to do with air bags
vs seat belt tensioners? In other words, will there be a separate
code for each? I really don't want to spend $103 to read the codes
nor have I decided if I want to mess with the air bags if that's the
problem unless it might cause harm if inflated. Any idea what an air
bag fix might cost (without the code reading fee)? If it matters,
this is on a 2003 Honda Accord sedan 4 cyl auto.
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 3:06 pm
From: AZ Nomad
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:36:05 -0500, Guy <void@void.com> wrote:
>If I start my car before I put my seat belt on, my SRS indicator light
>comes on and stays on no matter whether I wear the belt or not. If I
>put my seat belt on first before I start the engine, no indicator
>light (normal status). I called my local Honda dealer and they told
>me that if the indicator light has to do with seat belt tensioners,
>it's under a recall but they want $103 to read the codes. I think it
>will be no charge to me if the codes say seat belt tensioner only.
They can't charge you for such bullshit on a recall. Tell them to
execute the recall's requirements and that you aren't paying for
anything extra, especially what amounts to $1200/hr reading codes that
require less than five minutes effort.
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 4:04 pm
From: Elle
On Apr 28, 2:36 pm, "Guy" <v...@void.com> wrote:
> If I start my car before I put my seat belt on, my SRS indicator light
> comes on and stays on no matter whether I wear the belt or not. If I
> put my seat belt on first before I start the engine, no indicator
> light (normal status). I called my local Honda dealer and they told
> me that if the indicator light has to do with seat belt tensioners,
> it's under a recall but they want $103 to read the codes. I think it
> will be no charge to me if the codes say seat belt tensioner only.
>
> Does anyone know if I go to Autozone to have them read my codes, can
> their reader tell me if this indicator light has to do with air bags
> vs seat belt tensioners? In other words, will there be a separate
> code for each? I really don't want to spend $103 to read the codes
> nor have I decided if I want to mess with the air bags if that's the
> problem unless it might cause harm if inflated. Any idea what an air
> bag fix might cost (without the code reading fee)? If it matters,
> this is on a 2003 Honda Accord sedan 4 cyl auto.
You can read the code yourself using the following and a paper clip
(or short piece of wire):
http://sites.google.com/site/hondalioness/srs
My 2003 Civic had the SRS light on. I read the code myself. It turned
out to be the seat belt tensioner. Most, but it seems not all, dealers
cover this in the U.S. under the lifetime seat belt warranty on all
Hondas. (Apparently some dealers argue the part does not involve seat
belt integrity, and so it is not warrant-able. Yet other dealers say
the whole belt buckle must be replaced to correct the failed airbag
switch problem, so it is warrantable.)
At the site above, I also describe the good experience I had with my
dealer on this.
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 4:07 pm
From: Elle
On Apr 28, 2:36 pm, "Guy" <v...@void.com> wrote:
> If I start my car before I put my seat belt on, my SRS indicator light
> comes on and stays on no matter whether I wear the belt or not. If I
> put my seat belt on first before I start the engine, no indicator
> light (normal status). I called my local Honda dealer and they told
> me that if the indicator light has to do with seat belt tensioners,
> it's under a recall but they want $103 to read the codes. I think it
> will be no charge to me if the codes say seat belt tensioner only.
>
> Does anyone know if I go to Autozone to have them read my codes, can
> their reader tell me if this indicator light has to do with air bags
> vs seat belt tensioners? In other words, will there be a separate
> code for each? I really don't want to spend $103 to read the codes
> nor have I decided if I want to mess with the air bags if that's the
> problem unless it might cause harm if inflated. Any idea what an air
> bag fix might cost (without the code reading fee)? If it matters,
> this is on a 2003 Honda Accord sedan 4 cyl auto.
Google for reading the code yourself on your Accord. It should be like
the following, but maybe not exactly, so please check with other
sources.
http://sites.google.com/site/hondalioness/srs
My 2003 Civic had the SRS light on. I read the code myself. It turned
out to be the seat belt tensioner. Most, but it seems not all, dealers
cover this in the U.S. under the lifetime seat belt warranty on all
Hondas. (Apparently some dealers argue the part does not involve seat
belt integrity, and so it is not warrant-able. Yet other dealers say
the whole belt buckle must be replaced to correct the failed airbag
switch problem, so it is warrantable.)
At the site above, I also describe the good experience I had with my
dealer on this.
If Autozone reads the codes, then yes, its reader should say whether
it is the seat belt tensioner.
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 4:14 pm
From: Elle
Most likely it is the buckle. Google for reading the code yourself on
your Accord. It should be like the following, but maybe not exactly,
so please check with other
sources.
http://sites.google.com/site/hondalioness/srs
See also http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2616092&highlight=SRS+Code
My 2003 Civic had the SRS light on. I read the code myself. It turned
out to be the seat belt tensioner. Most, but it seems not all, dealers
cover this in the U.S. under the lifetime seat belt warranty on all
Hondas. (Apparently some dealers argue the part does not involve seat
belt integrity, and so it is not warrant-able. Yet other dealers say
the whole belt buckle must be replaced to correct the failed airbag
switch problem, so it is warrantable.)
At the site above, I also describe the good experience I had with my
dealer on this.
If Autozone reads the codes, then yes, its reader should say whether
it is the seat belt tensioner.
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 7:19 pm
From: Tegger
Elle <honda.lioness@gmail.com> wrote in news:1576a559-c369-42b7-bc4e-
1932e0619059@z13g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
>
> My 2003 Civic had the SRS light on. I read the code myself. It turned
> out to be the seat belt tensioner. Most, but it seems not all, dealers
> cover this in the U.S. under the lifetime seat belt warranty on all
> Hondas. (Apparently some dealers argue the part does not involve seat
> belt integrity, and so it is not warrant-able. Yet other dealers say
> the whole belt buckle must be replaced to correct the failed airbag
> switch problem, so it is warrantable.)
That's not a dealer warranty, it's an American Honda warranty. It's called
the "Lifetime Seat Belt Limited Warranty". The dealer is NOT the one that
decides if the repair is warrantable.
The warranty applies if these three conditions are met:
1) the vehicle was originally sold to an American dealer by American Honda;
2) the actual functioning of the belt assembly is impaired;
3) the vehicle has not been involved in a collision.
"Integrity" is not part of the warranty criteria.
If the belt refuses to retract; refuses to lock; is frayed to the point
where it will not move in and out of its retractor; if motorized belts
won't run back-and-forth and/or lock in the rearmost position; if there is
any other impediment to actual function, then the warranty applies.
If the seat belt functions as-designed, but the SRS light is illuminated
with a seat belt code, then the warranty does not apply.
If the seat belt functions as-designed, but the belt warning-lamp is on
even when the belt is buckled, then the warranty does not apply.
If the belt is stained or the plastic is cracked, but the belt still
functions as-designed, then the warranty does not apply.
Honda pays the dealers for any warranty work they do to your seat belts. If
your dealer won't play ball, call American Honda customer service:
<http://automobiles.honda.com/information/customer-relations.aspx>
Whether to cover or not is NOT the dealer's decision.
--
Tegger
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