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* Toyota drags down new-vehicle quality average; Ford leads Detroit 3 gains, J.
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* 1999 sentra 2 litre - How many miles will this last? - 4 messages, 4 authors
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TOPIC: Toyota drags down new-vehicle quality average; Ford leads Detroit 3
gains, J.D. Power says
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.nissan/t/10f50e549945325d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 18 2010 9:53 pm
From: "Stewart"
"dr_jeff" <utz@msu.edu> wrote in message
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> Mike Hunter wrote:
>> The problems that may show up early on are the best indicator of
>> overall build quality, but the fact remains ALL vehicles fall
>> within the 2% failure range for ALL manufactured products,
>
> Bull. Not ALL manufactured products have a "2% failure range." If I
> am incorrect, prove it.
A 2% failure rate would be the death of most all medical devices.
Even a 2% complaint rate could lead to a recall (not every complaint
is a failure, but all need to be investigated and probable root cause
established).
>
> If every manufactured product had a 2% failure range, then the space
> shuttle would never have gotten off the ground, because it is made
> from hundreds of thousands of components. Buildings would be falling
> down all the time, because girders would be breaking during
> construction.
>
> If you were correct, then the average number of defects would be
> about 2 per 100 cars, not 100 to 200 per 100 cars, as it is.
>
> This has been pointed out to you in the past. And you still don't
> understand that 100 problems per 100 vehicles is a not a 2% failure
> rate.
>
>> that is why they all have a warranty, even Rolls Royce.
>> Differences of 1% are meaningless. EVERY manufacturer is making
>> great cars today.
>
> Maybe they all make some good cars, but not all cars are great.
>
>> The only REAL difference among them is style and price.
>
> Really?
>
>> My advise, when people ask for my advise because of my experience
>> in building, selling, and servicing vehicles, is to test drive
>> those three or more that best suits your needs, then get a total
>> DRIVE HOME PRICE including selling price, dealer add-ons and
>> financing costs, if you must finance, from at least TWO dealers of
>> the top two or three models you choose then buy your vehicle from
>> the dealer nearest you home that gives you the best price and has
>> the lowest shop rate.
>>
>> It never made sense to me when I was in retail, why some people are
>> willing to pay 20% to 30% more for some of our brands because they
>> thought they were "better."
>
> Gee buying something better for 20% or 30% more is a good idea, if
> it is better. I paid a lot more for my Apples than I would have for
> HP's or Dells, but I got better computers. I definitely got a better
> buy with more more expensive Apple than had I bought a cheaper HP or
> Dell.
That would be a better computer for you, probably not a better
computer for me (even though I prefer them).
>
>> Thinking you will not get one of the 2%, is foolish at best.
>
> What 2%? Just about all cars have defects, with defects around 100
> per 100 vehicles.
>
> You didn't know what you were talking about before.
>
> And you don't know what you're talking about now.
>
>> The odds are far greater that you will get one of the 98% that are
>> trouble free.
>
> Really? Very few cars are totally trouble free. The average number
> of defects per car is about one defecte per car (108 defects per 100
> cars).
> http://businesscenter.jdpower.com/news/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2010099
>
I've had one that I know of that was taken care of by the tranny
recall. Of course, some may a different perception of what a defect
is.......they all get counted, even the phantom defects.
>> Personally, I run two cars (trade or sell the one that is two years
>> old) and get a new vehicle every year. I Email a list of what I
>> want in the vehicle, to the Group or Fleet Sales Manager(s) at
>> numerous dealerships for a bid price. Then I visit the
>> dealerships that give me a price, closest to what I know I should
>> be paying for the car as equipped, and get a total drive home price
>> if I end up trading my car.
>
> Good for you.
Yes....I usually pay cash and drive it until the wheels fall
off....(figuratively speaking).
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TOPIC: 1999 sentra 2 litre - How many miles will this last?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.nissan/t/c8b66ff45c73eb4d?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 19 2010 2:18 am
From: Me
On 18/06/2010 11:07 p.m., DanielleOM wrote:
> I have a Nissan Sentra 1999 with the 2 litre engine? How many miles
> will this run for. I have 198,000 miles on it now and it sounds great to
> me. I have signifigant body rust near the rear wheels and I am debating
> on whether to have it fixed.
>
> The engine sounds better than a lot of new cars I hear.
>
I've got (amongst other cars) a 97 sentra/pulsar.
The problem with older/high mileage cars is in my opinion, reaching some
point where the cost of continued maintenance should be balanced against
the inevitable depreciation cost of what you replace it with.
198,000 miles is getting high. If it's on the original auto box, then
that might need replacing (used replacement probably much less cost than
repair). If it's a manual, then the gearbox might be okay, but it will
probably need a new clutch sooner rather than later. Where I am,
realistic value for the car is probably about US$1,000 - $1500. A
clutch or used auto gearbox replacement would probably cost most of that
in labour and parts. If you can (and are prepared to) do it yourself,
then that's perhaps different, but if you pay for maintenance, that's
another thing. There's a zillion other things that could or probably
will require maintenance. New disk rotors, bearings/hubs, clutch/brake
cylinders, airflow meter, distributor, etc etc. Each "event" on it's
own not terminal, but combined it adds up to a significant cost and
nuisance value.
My advice - sell the car now. Get a quote to fix the rust, balance that
cost against what it's worth. If it's reasonably tidy and runs well,
then it's still worth something even with a bit of rust. If it's got
that mileage and has some other significant problem, then it's junk.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 19 2010 4:11 am
From: "DanielleOM"
"Me" <user@domain.invalid> wrote in message
news:hvi20d$cmh$1@news.albasani.net...
> On 18/06/2010 11:07 p.m., DanielleOM wrote:
>> I have a Nissan Sentra 1999 with the 2 litre engine? How many miles
>> will this run for. I have 198,000 miles on it now and it sounds great to
>> me. I have signifigant body rust near the rear wheels and I am debating
>> on whether to have it fixed.
>>
>> The engine sounds better than a lot of new cars I hear.
>>
> I've got (amongst other cars) a 97 sentra/pulsar.
> The problem with older/high mileage cars is in my opinion, reaching some
> point where the cost of continued maintenance should be balanced against
> the inevitable depreciation cost of what you replace it with.
> 198,000 miles is getting high. If it's on the original auto box, then
> that might need replacing (used replacement probably much less cost than
> repair). If it's a manual, then the gearbox might be okay, but it will
> probably need a new clutch sooner rather than later. Where I am,
> realistic value for the car is probably about US$1,000 - $1500. A clutch
> or used auto gearbox replacement would probably cost most of that in
> labour and parts. If you can (and are prepared to) do it yourself, then
> that's perhaps different, but if you pay for maintenance, that's another
> thing. There's a zillion other things that could or probably will require
> maintenance. New disk rotors, bearings/hubs, clutch/brake cylinders,
> airflow meter, distributor, etc etc. Each "event" on it's own not
> terminal, but combined it adds up to a significant cost and nuisance
> value.
> My advice - sell the car now. Get a quote to fix the rust, balance that
> cost against what it's worth. If it's reasonably tidy and runs well, then
> it's still worth something even with a bit of rust. If it's got that
> mileage and has some other significant problem, then it's junk.
Mine is the 1999 Sentra SE limited edition with the SR20DE engine. It's
great running and great looking car. I would swear the engine sounds better
today than a lot of new cars. I have a manual transmission with the
original clutch. There are no signs of slipping yet. Maintenance costs to
date including new tires have been less than a $1000 per year. I live in a
state where there are property taxes on vehicles. I find that alone makes
me think twice about buying a new car.
Danielle
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 19 2010 8:47 am
From: Jim Yanik
"DanielleOM" <danielle.e@reply.to.group.com> wrote in
news:hvi8ku$aik$1@news.eternal-september.org:
> Mine is the 1999 Sentra SE limited edition with the SR20DE engine.
> It's great running and great looking car. I would swear the engine
> sounds better today than a lot of new cars. I have a manual
> transmission with the original clutch. There are no signs of slipping
> yet. Maintenance costs to date including new tires have been less
> than a $1000 per year. I live in a state where there are property
> taxes on vehicles. I find that alone makes me think twice about
> buying a new car.
>
> Danielle
>
>
I'd keep it,and it appears you have done well with the routine maintenance.
You might have a Nissan dealer hook it up to their diagnostic machine,they
might be able to tell you if something is marginal,like oxygen sensors.It's
not a must-do,though.
The rust repair depends on where it is located,if the body part is
replaceable,or a piece has to be cut out and a new one fabricated and
welded on.That can run into some money.
But hey,you really like your car,and it runs well,so it's worth at least
getting an estimate for the rust repairs and new paint.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 19 2010 5:39 pm
From: Louis
DanielleOM wrote:
> I have a Nissan Sentra 1999 with the 2 litre engine? How many miles
> will this run for. I have 198,000 miles on it now and it sounds great
> to me. I have signifigant body rust near the rear wheels and I am
> debating on whether to have it fixed.
>
> The engine sounds better than a lot of new cars I hear.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Danielle
I Have 348,000 miles on my 1992 SE-R (has the SR20 engine also) Has
almost 90% of original compression. Only had to replace 2 injectors,
water pump (what a pain that was) and a starter. Shes one of the best
engines Nissan has ever made.
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