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TOPIC: Almost lost a socket
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 8 2010 7:57 am
From: Jim Yanik
"E. Meyer" <epmeyer50@msn.com> wrote in
news:C8ACF8D9.200AC%epmeyer50@msn.com:
> On 9/7/10 9:04 AM, in article
> Xns9DEC66AC7396Ejyaniklocalnetcom@216.168.3.44, "Jim Yanik"
><jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:
>
>> "E. Meyer" <epmeyer50@msn.com> wrote in
>> news:C8AAF2ED.1FF96%epmeyer50@msn.com:
>>
>>> On 9/5/10 4:36 PM, in article
>>> Xns9DEAB32E24307jyaniklocalnetcom@216.168.3.44, "Jim Yanik"
>>> <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "E. Meyer" <epmeyer50@msn.com> wrote in
>>>> news:C8A91B7E.1FEBA%epmeyer50@msn.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/3/10 8:27 AM, in article
>>>>> Xns9DE86055A560Ajyaniklocalnetcom@216.168.3.44, "Jim Yanik"
>>>>> <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "E. Meyer" <epmeyer50@msn.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:C8A64D15.1FD2B%epmeyer50@msn.com:
>>>>
>>>>>>> There are about 3 people left on earth that even use usenet
>>>>>>> anymore and I have to think that these anal retentive top
>>>>>>> posting/bottom posting tirades are a large part of the reason
>>>>>>> why.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the main reason many have "deserted" Usenet is because few ISPs
>>>>>> provide the service anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, but that's a chicken and egg argument. Most of the ISPs are
>>>>> dropping it because the usage isn't there anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> second might be bacause of the difficulty in following a thread
>>>>>> when coming in after a few MFFY top posters have screwed up the
>>>>>> continuity and readability of the thread. "anal-retentive",I
>>>>>> think not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just keep on thinking that. I, and I suspect many others, roll
>>>>> our eyes and immediately ignore the thread as soon it degenerates
>>>>> into complaints about how its posted.
>>>>
>>>> I fail to see how it's "anal-retentive" to read from top to
>>>> bottom,the NATURAL manner of reading. It's MFFY to top-post.It's
>>>> egotistical people who selfishly want to read their comments
>>>> first,too lazy to scroll down to the end.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> I revert to my original assertion - this anal retentive BS is
>>> becoming the death of usenet. I have no use for anybody, business
>>> or pleasure, who focuses on the jots and commas to the exclusion of
>>> the message, which is part and partial what this amounts to.
>>
>> Hardly comparable to commenting on "jots and commas" or typos,which I
>> don't do.
>>>
>>>>>> Here's an example for ya;go to Townhall.com,pick an article with
>>>>>> 50 or more posts and replies,and don't select the "oldest first"
>>>>>> option. They automatically post everything "newest first";why,I
>>>>>> can't figure. Now,try to read the posts and make sense of it in
>>>>>> "newest first" order.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are actually following the thread this argument is moot.
>>>>> If there is a problem at all, it is only for someone trying to
>>>>> catch up with a thread (s)he has not been following.
>>>>
>>>> Oh,so that makes it all right?
>>>> It IS a "problem". the longer the thread,the more difficult it gets
>>>> for anyone to follow,and top posting makes it FAR worse,and sooner.
>>>>
>>>> AND,I suspect you didn't try my suggestion about trying one of
>>>> Townhall's fora.
>>>> It's a perfect example of top-posting screw-up. I dare you to TRY
>>>> it,then you will understand. Or maybe not.....but then there's no
>>>> hope for you. For one thing,you might only be able to come across
>>>> the article -after- there's been 100 posts and replies,and trying
>>>> to read "newest first" is impossible.Some of the articles originate
>>>> at midnight,and by 7AM,there's a slew of posts. That's the same as
>>>> on the newsgroups.
>>>
>>> I have been following these groups for about 15 years, and I have
>>> yet to find a discussion I couldn't follow if I wanted to. Its just
>>> lame to assert that oldest fist is ideal but newest first is
>>> impossible to read. Get real. Scroll down to where you left off and
>>> then back up. Geez!
>>
>>
>> you STILL didn't try Townhall as I suggested.....so you have no idea
>> what you're talking about.
>
> BS
>
>>
>> Evidently,there IS no hope for you.
>
> PLONK!
>
>
you STILL didn't try Townhall...; willful blindness.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 9 2010 5:03 am
From: "Striker"
"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in message
news:Xns9DED6FA1B3C44jyaniklocalnetcom@216.168.3.44...
> "E. Meyer" <epmeyer50@msn.com> wrote in
> news:C8ACF8D9.200AC%epmeyer50@msn.com:
>
>> On 9/7/10 9:04 AM, in article
>> Xns9DEC66AC7396Ejyaniklocalnetcom@216.168.3.44, "Jim Yanik"
>><jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:
>>
>>> "E. Meyer" <epmeyer50@msn.com> wrote in
>>> news:C8AAF2ED.1FF96%epmeyer50@msn.com:
>>>
>>>> On 9/5/10 4:36 PM, in article
>>>> Xns9DEAB32E24307jyaniklocalnetcom@216.168.3.44, "Jim Yanik"
>>>> <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "E. Meyer" <epmeyer50@msn.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:C8A91B7E.1FEBA%epmeyer50@msn.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/3/10 8:27 AM, in article
>>>>>> Xns9DE86055A560Ajyaniklocalnetcom@216.168.3.44, "Jim Yanik"
>>>>>> <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "E. Meyer" <epmeyer50@msn.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:C8A64D15.1FD2B%epmeyer50@msn.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are about 3 people left on earth that even use usenet
>>>>>>>> anymore and I have to think that these anal retentive top
>>>>>>>> posting/bottom posting tirades are a large part of the reason
>>>>>>>> why.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the main reason many have "deserted" Usenet is because few ISPs
>>>>>>> provide the service anymore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, but that's a chicken and egg argument. Most of the ISPs are
>>>>>> dropping it because the usage isn't there anymore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> second might be bacause of the difficulty in following a thread
>>>>>>> when coming in after a few MFFY top posters have screwed up the
>>>>>>> continuity and readability of the thread. "anal-retentive",I
>>>>>>> think not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just keep on thinking that. I, and I suspect many others, roll
>>>>>> our eyes and immediately ignore the thread as soon it degenerates
>>>>>> into complaints about how its posted.
>>>>>
>>>>> I fail to see how it's "anal-retentive" to read from top to
>>>>> bottom,the NATURAL manner of reading. It's MFFY to top-post.It's
>>>>> egotistical people who selfishly want to read their comments
>>>>> first,too lazy to scroll down to the end.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I revert to my original assertion - this anal retentive BS is
>>>> becoming the death of usenet. I have no use for anybody, business
>>>> or pleasure, who focuses on the jots and commas to the exclusion of
>>>> the message, which is part and partial what this amounts to.
>>>
>>> Hardly comparable to commenting on "jots and commas" or typos,which I
>>> don't do.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's an example for ya;go to Townhall.com,pick an article with
>>>>>>> 50 or more posts and replies,and don't select the "oldest first"
>>>>>>> option. They automatically post everything "newest first";why,I
>>>>>>> can't figure. Now,try to read the posts and make sense of it in
>>>>>>> "newest first" order.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you are actually following the thread this argument is moot.
>>>>>> If there is a problem at all, it is only for someone trying to
>>>>>> catch up with a thread (s)he has not been following.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh,so that makes it all right?
>>>>> It IS a "problem". the longer the thread,the more difficult it gets
>>>>> for anyone to follow,and top posting makes it FAR worse,and sooner.
>>>>>
>>>>> AND,I suspect you didn't try my suggestion about trying one of
>>>>> Townhall's fora.
>>>>> It's a perfect example of top-posting screw-up. I dare you to TRY
>>>>> it,then you will understand. Or maybe not.....but then there's no
>>>>> hope for you. For one thing,you might only be able to come across
>>>>> the article -after- there's been 100 posts and replies,and trying
>>>>> to read "newest first" is impossible.Some of the articles originate
>>>>> at midnight,and by 7AM,there's a slew of posts. That's the same as
>>>>> on the newsgroups.
>>>>
>>>> I have been following these groups for about 15 years, and I have
>>>> yet to find a discussion I couldn't follow if I wanted to. Its just
>>>> lame to assert that oldest fist is ideal but newest first is
>>>> impossible to read. Get real. Scroll down to where you left off and
>>>> then back up. Geez!
>>>
>>>
>>> you STILL didn't try Townhall as I suggested.....so you have no idea
>>> what you're talking about.
>>
>> BS
>>
>>>
>>> Evidently,there IS no hope for you.
>>
>> PLONK!
>>
>>
>
> you STILL didn't try Townhall...; willful blindness.
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> localnet
> dot com
You STILL need to try to drop it !
Unless your some idiot troll looking for a flame war.
Striker
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TOPIC: My Experience Driving a Chevrolet Traverse
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.nissan/t/e05f241ae66f2cc9?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 9 2010 4:32 am
From: "C. E. White"
"Daniel who wants to know" <me@here.edu> wrote in message
news:i66tj8$n7i$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:i65ert$gvt$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> I don't have much experience with current crossover vehicles. My only
>> other experience has been with my parent's recent vehicles - a Ford
>> Freestyle (totaled in an accident) and a Toyota Highlander (the
>> replacement for the Freestyle).
>>
>>
>>
>> Of the three, I preferred the Freestyle. It had the best handling,
>> ergonomics, and was the quietest and cheapest (but was also under
>> powered - it was the original 3.0L V6 version). It was also the most car
>> like. The Traverse is the most SUV like, with the Highlander somewhere in
>> between.
>>
>>
>
> Did you ever lay the hammer down in the Freestyle? It has a cone and belt
> CVT and I have heard reports that it feels slow when it really isn't. A
> friend of mine has one and she hasn't mentioned anything.
Not all of the Freestyles had CVT transmissions. They offered a 6 speed
automatic as well in the Front Wheel Drive models. Has it happens, my
Mother's Freestyle did have the CVT. The CVT helped the performance, but the
performance was still not as strong as the Traverse. I assume the later
Freestyles (aka Taurus X) with the larger V6 and conventional automaitcs had
performance similar to the Traverse.
Ed
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 9 2010 4:37 am
From: "C. E. White"
"Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:wzFho.555$u9.436@edtnps82...
>
>
> "Hachiroku ????" <anonymous@not-for-mail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:i66v4q$a9i$4@tioat.net...
>> On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 09:34:01 -0400, C. E. White wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Recently we took a vacation to Yellowstone Park, Glacier Park, and other
>>> points of interest in Montana and Wyoming. We flew to Montana and rented
>>> a
>>> car. I asked for a Nissan Xterra, but Hertz rented me a Chevrolet
>>> Traverse
>>
>> Ed's got guts. He *admitted* driving a Chevy!
>>
>>
>
> What the Hell, at least it was only for a week or so. Can you imagine
> actually BUYING one of those tin boxes and being stuck, for its
> life..probably all of 5 years, with it?
I would not buy one, but it seemed solid enough. I know plenty of people
with 10 and 15 year old Chevys that have many miles on them. I feel certain
that the Traverse would last just fine. My SO, who is a commited Toyota
owner, claimed she liked the Traverse. I merely thought it was OK.
Ed
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 9 2010 7:57 am
From: "Mike"
The problem with CVT tranny is the average driver does not know how to drive
them. Unlike a conventional automatic the CVT will not start in the lowest
drive range unless the throttle is fully depressed. The proper way to
start a CVT is to floor the throttle until one reaches the desired speed
then moderate the throttle as needed.
"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:i6aghi$dph$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "Daniel who wants to know" <me@here.edu> wrote in message
> news:i66tj8$n7i$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> Did you ever lay the hammer down in the Freestyle? It has a cone and belt
>> CVT and I have heard reports that it feels slow when it really isn't. A
>> friend of mine has one and she hasn't mentioned anything.
>
> Not all of the Freestyles had CVT transmissions. They offered a 6 speed
> automatic as well in the Front Wheel Drive models. Has it happens, my
> Mother's Freestyle did have the CVT. The CVT helped the performance, but
> the performance was still not as strong as the Traverse. I assume the
> later Freestyles (aka Taurus X) with the larger V6 and conventional
> automaitcs had performance similar to the Traverse.
>
> Ed
>
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 9 2010 8:15 am
From: "Anyolmouse"
> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:i6aghi$dph$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> >
> > "Daniel who wants to know" <me@here.edu> wrote in message
> > news:i66tj8$n7i$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> >>
> >> Did you ever lay the hammer down in the Freestyle? It has a cone
and belt
> >> CVT and I have heard reports that it feels slow when it really
isn't. A
> >> friend of mine has one and she hasn't mentioned anything.
> >
> > Not all of the Freestyles had CVT transmissions. They offered a 6
speed
> > automatic as well in the Front Wheel Drive models. Has it happens,
my
> > Mother's Freestyle did have the CVT. The CVT helped the performance,
but
> > the performance was still not as strong as the Traverse. I assume
the
> > later Freestyles (aka Taurus X) with the larger V6 and conventional
> > automatics had performance similar to the Traverse.
> >
> > Ed
> >
>
> "Mike" <mikehunt2@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:xvydnaltiuNsaBXRnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@ptd.net...
> The problem with CVT tranny is the average driver does not know how to
drive
> them. Unlike a conventional automatic the CVT will not start in the
lowest
> drive range unless the throttle is fully depressed. The proper way
to
> start a CVT is to floor the throttle until one reaches the desired
speed
> then moderate the throttle as needed.
>
Haven't found that to be true with my CVT equipped Cube. Looks like it
would be hard on the mpg also.
--
We have met the enemy and he is us-- Pogo
Anyolmouse
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 9 2010 8:16 am
From: IGot2P
On 9/9/2010 9:57 AM, Mike wrote:
> The problem with CVT tranny is the average driver does not know how to drive
> them. Unlike a conventional automatic the CVT will not start in the lowest
> drive range unless the throttle is fully depressed. The proper way to
> start a CVT is to floor the throttle until one reaches the desired speed
> then moderate the throttle as needed.
I would be picked up daily in my 2008 3.5 Maxima if I drove it that way.
Don
>
>
> "C. E. White"<cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:i6aghi$dph$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "Daniel who wants to know"<me@here.edu> wrote in message
>> news:i66tj8$n7i$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>>>
>>> Did you ever lay the hammer down in the Freestyle? It has a cone and belt
>>> CVT and I have heard reports that it feels slow when it really isn't. A
>>> friend of mine has one and she hasn't mentioned anything.
>>
>> Not all of the Freestyles had CVT transmissions. They offered a 6 speed
>> automatic as well in the Front Wheel Drive models. Has it happens, my
>> Mother's Freestyle did have the CVT. The CVT helped the performance, but
>> the performance was still not as strong as the Traverse. I assume the
>> later Freestyles (aka Taurus X) with the larger V6 and conventional
>> automaitcs had performance similar to the Traverse.
>>
>> Ed
>>
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 9 2010 8:41 am
From: "C. E. White"
"Mike" <mikehunt2@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:xvydnaltiuNsaBXRnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@ptd.net...
> The problem with CVT tranny is the average driver does not know how to
> drive them. Unlike a conventional automatic the CVT will not start in
> the lowest drive range unless the throttle is fully depressed. The
> proper way to start a CVT is to floor the throttle until one reaches the
> desired speed then moderate the throttle as needed.
Seem like more bad advice.
With electronic throttle control, the Powertrain Controller actaully handles
the throttle opening for you. In the case of my Mom's Freestyle (and the
CVT equipped Saturn Vue I owned a few years back), you pressed on the
accelerator pedal to achieve a desired rate of acceleration. The engine
speed was not directly realted to the throttle position. Following your bad
advice would only be appropriate if you were going for the maximum rate of
acceleration (like if you were in a drag race). For day to day driving only
an idiot would floor the accelerator everytime....
Ed
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 9 2010 7:41 pm
From: "E. Meyer"
Speaking as one who has owned 3 cars with CVTs, 2 Altimas and a Rogue,
granted they're Nissans, not Chevys, I can say unequivocally that you are
full of it. The proper way to drive a CVT is identical to the proper way to
drive any automatic. The only car I have ever driven that needed the
throttle to the floor when starting out, was the 48 horsepower '79 diesel
Rabbit.
On 9/9/10 9:57 AM, in article xvydnaltiuNsaBXRnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@ptd.net,
"Mike" <mikehunt2@lycos.com> wrote:
> The problem with CVT tranny is the average driver does not know how to drive
> them. Unlike a conventional automatic the CVT will not start in the lowest
> drive range unless the throttle is fully depressed. The proper way to
> start a CVT is to floor the throttle until one reaches the desired speed
> then moderate the throttle as needed.
>
>
> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:i6aghi$dph$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "Daniel who wants to know" <me@here.edu> wrote in message
>> news:i66tj8$n7i$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>>>
>>> Did you ever lay the hammer down in the Freestyle? It has a cone and belt
>>> CVT and I have heard reports that it feels slow when it really isn't. A
>>> friend of mine has one and she hasn't mentioned anything.
>>
>> Not all of the Freestyles had CVT transmissions. They offered a 6 speed
>> automatic as well in the Front Wheel Drive models. Has it happens, my
>> Mother's Freestyle did have the CVT. The CVT helped the performance, but
>> the performance was still not as strong as the Traverse. I assume the
>> later Freestyles (aka Taurus X) with the larger V6 and conventional
>> automaitcs had performance similar to the Traverse.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>
>
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