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* Haynes Repair Manual or Equivalent - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Ferrari Confirms Hybrid All-Wheel Drive System For 2014 - 1 messages, 1
author
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* 2000 Civic EX Speedo/Odom intermittent - 3 messages, 2 authors
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* Speedometer error - 6 messages, 6 authors
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TOPIC: Haynes Repair Manual or Equivalent
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/t/d52309e59a8cf2cd?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 15 2009 6:49 pm
From: Dillon Pyron
Thus spake Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> :
>"Mel P." <mpernice95@verizon.net> wrote in
>news:hdctj6$ht5$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> Does any one know if Haynes or Chilton or whomever have a manual for
>> 2009 Civics?
>> I looked online and did not see anything.
>>
>
>
>You won't see anything for a few years yet.
>
>And when you do, it will be as crappy as any other Haynes/Chilton.
>
>If all you want to do is figure out where your oil filter is, then go for
>the aftermarket stuff. If you will eventually be doing more complex work on
>your car, bite the bullet and get the real ($400) thing from the Honda
>dealer.
I had Chilton that I bought for my 96 Civic. And one I bought for my
72 MGB (both went with the cars). Want to work on the bores? Grab
just about any Chilton. Instructions were word for word. And almost
the same picture, unless you were looking at a very specific part.
>
>Factory Honda shop manuals are of sparkling quality, containing information
>the aftermarket can only dream of.
But, if you are carrying it in the car, try to keep it low and
centered to avoid upsetting the balance too much. I think my Fit
manual may weigh more than the Fit.
Drinking game. Every time you see "may cause serious injury or death"
take a shot. But only do this two chapters a night.
--
- dillon I am not invalid
"Always shoot first. At the very least you'll
distract the guy enough to make the second one count"
-- Lazurus Long
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TOPIC: Ferrari Confirms Hybrid All-Wheel Drive System For 2014
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/t/610febf2b2e23529?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 1:47 am
From: jolly
Ferrari Confirms Hybrid All-Wheel Drive System For 2014
http://www.techespot.com/2009/11/ferrari-confirms-hybrid-all-wheel-drive.html
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TOPIC: 2000 Civic EX Speedo/Odom intermittent
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/t/c91d6ac88be789d7?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 12:54 pm
From: Doug Ryser
Hi,
My speedo and odo are dead the majority of the time. Problem started
shortly after I bought this car, was intermittent work/no work. Now
mainly doesn't work. Speedo bounces around 20 mph at all speeds. Every
once in a while it will take off and track with my speed but then
stops and returns to bounce around 20mph. Tach has always continued to
work fine and is the only speed guide I have currently.
Trying to get info on where to start, test points and values I should
see. I see used replacement instrument clusters available for under
$100. If this is the problem, is it generally better to repair my
current or swap for an unknown used unit.
Thanks,
Doug
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 5:07 pm
From: Tegger
Doug Ryser <slugdug@gmail.com> wrote in news:d05e947c-127d-4205-88b6-
b3d8a620302c@w19g2000pre.googlegroups.com:
> Hi,
> My speedo and odo are dead the majority of the time. Problem started
> shortly after I bought this car, was intermittent work/no work. Now
> mainly doesn't work. Speedo bounces around 20 mph at all speeds. Every
> once in a while it will take off and track with my speed but then
> stops and returns to bounce around 20mph. Tach has always continued to
> work fine and is the only speed guide I have currently.
Is your Check Engine light on?
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 8:45 pm
From: Doug Ryser
On Nov 16, 5:07 pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
> Doug Ryser <slug...@gmail.com> wrote in news:d05e947c-127d-4205-88b6-
> b3d8a6203...@w19g2000pre.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Hi,
> > My speedo and odo are dead the majority of the time. Problem started
> > shortly after I bought this car, was intermittent work/no work. Now
> > mainly doesn't work. Speedo bounces around 20 mph at all speeds. Every
> > once in a while it will take off and track with my speed but then
> > stops and returns to bounce around 20mph. Tach has always continued to
> > work fine and is the only speed guide I have currently.
>
> Is your Check Engine light on?
>
> --
> Tegger
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQwww.tegger.com/hondafaq/
No check engine or other system lights.
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TOPIC: Speedometer error
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/t/dd0e0cb203486443?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 1:47 pm
From: Nasty
My 2000 Accord speedometer is off by about 8 mph according to my gps.
It's kind of a good thing, it'll read 70 but I'm actually doing about
62. Is there a fix for this?
TIA
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 5:06 pm
From: Tegger
Nasty <nasty@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in news:4b01c85e$0$4857
$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com:
> My 2000 Accord speedometer is off by about 8 mph according to my gps.
> It's kind of a good thing, it'll read 70 but I'm actually doing about
> 62. Is there a fix for this?
>
> TIA
GPS's are not definitively accurate. There is a fairly large built-in error
in all GPS's. GPS satellites are the property of the US Department of
Defense, and the military doesn't want you having the same thing they've
got for reasons of national security. This is outlined in all the new-car
PDI docs issued by Honda for vehicles that have NAVI.
In addition to that, speedometers are designed to be "fast" on account of
liability laws. Add the two together, and it could well be 8mph at 62 or
70.
If you really want to know your car's speedo/odo accuracy, you need to
spend some time with a piece of chalk and a long tape measure.
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 5:46 pm
From: Piperson
Surely you jest!!!
Certainly GPS's are not "definitively" accurate with locational
information, but the time traveled between too "not-so-perfect"
locations should be dead on. Speed indications should be very accurate
compared to most automotive speedometers.
Also, I am sure car makers would not design in inaccuracy to "account
for liability laws", leaving themselves open to lawsuits for short
changing owners of warranty limits. If the meter is reading too high,
the odometer is approaching the warranty limit too fast.
Lastly. A very easy method of determining speed is by the time is takes
to go between mileage markers on most highways. At 60 MPH one mile
should take exactly 60 seconds.
On 11/16/2009 8:06 PM, Tegger wrote:
> Nasty <nasty@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in news:4b01c85e$0$4857
> $9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com:
>
>> My 2000 Accord speedometer is off by about 8 mph according to my gps.
>> It's kind of a good thing, it'll read 70 but I'm actually doing about
>> 62. Is there a fix for this?
>>
>> TIA
>
>
>
>
> GPS's are not definitively accurate. There is a fairly large built-in error
> in all GPS's. GPS satellites are the property of the US Department of
> Defense, and the military doesn't want you having the same thing they've
> got for reasons of national security. This is outlined in all the new-car
> PDI docs issued by Honda for vehicles that have NAVI.
>
> In addition to that, speedometers are designed to be "fast" on account of
> liability laws. Add the two together, and it could well be 8mph at 62 or
> 70.
>
> If you really want to know your car's speedo/odo accuracy, you need to
> spend some time with a piece of chalk and a long tape measure.
>
>
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 7:20 pm
From: "E. Meyer"
On 11/16/09 7:46 PM, in article NfnMm.35145$de6.3110@newsfe21.iad,
"Piperson" <ppsn168@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Surely you jest!!!
>
> Certainly GPS's are not "definitively" accurate with locational
> information, but the time traveled between too "not-so-perfect"
> locations should be dead on. Speed indications should be very accurate
> compared to most automotive speedometers.
>
> Also, I am sure car makers would not design in inaccuracy to "account
> for liability laws", leaving themselves open to lawsuits for short
> changing owners of warranty limits. If the meter is reading too high,
> the odometer is approaching the warranty limit too fast.
And Honda lost a class action suit for exactly that reason several years
ago. The warranted mileage on my '06 CR-V was extended as part of that
settlement.
>
> Lastly. A very easy method of determining speed is by the time is takes
> to go between mileage markers on most highways. At 60 MPH one mile
> should take exactly 60 seconds.
>
> On 11/16/2009 8:06 PM, Tegger wrote:
>> Nasty <nasty@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in news:4b01c85e$0$4857
>> $9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com:
>>
>>> My 2000 Accord speedometer is off by about 8 mph according to my gps.
>>> It's kind of a good thing, it'll read 70 but I'm actually doing about
>>> 62. Is there a fix for this?
>>>
>>> TIA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> GPS's are not definitively accurate. There is a fairly large built-in error
>> in all GPS's. GPS satellites are the property of the US Department of
>> Defense, and the military doesn't want you having the same thing they've
>> got for reasons of national security. This is outlined in all the new-car
>> PDI docs issued by Honda for vehicles that have NAVI.
>>
>> In addition to that, speedometers are designed to be "fast" on account of
>> liability laws. Add the two together, and it could well be 8mph at 62 or
>> 70.
>>
>> If you really want to know your car's speedo/odo accuracy, you need to
>> spend some time with a piece of chalk and a long tape measure.
>>
>>
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 7:34 pm
From: AZ Nomad
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 01:06:29 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote:
>If you really want to know your car's speedo/odo accuracy, you need to
>spend some time with a piece of chalk and a long tape measure.
Or visit a country that has discovered the mile or kilometer marker.
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 10:19 pm
From: dold@78.usenet.us.com
Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote:
> in all GPS's. GPS satellites are the property of the US Department of
> Defense, and the military doesn't want you having the same thing they've
Bill Clinton ended that silliness in 2000.
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/GPS/selective_availability.htm
Any current GPS will have a steady state speedometer accuracy of .1mph.
--
Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5
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