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TOPIC: CR-V shopping
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 11 2009 12:44 pm
From: "Observer"
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:13:22 -0600, "E. Meyer" <epmeyer50@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On 11/10/09 4:14 PM, in article dtojf59tu29dcdv98p33lauln9touq7nu1@4ax.com,
>"Observer" <none@void.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:56:31 -0500, "C. E. White"
>> <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>> When we recently shopped for a new vehicle for my Mother we looked at
>>> the CR-V. We have a friend who has one as well. The friend's CR-V has
>>> been very reliable, but he says he wouldn't buy another one. His
>>> biggest complaint is the seating position. He has a base model with
>>> the non-power driver's seat. My biggest complaint about his CR-V was
>>> the wind noise. It was among the noisest vehicles on the highway I
>>> been in in a long time. For my Mother we decided against the CR-V
>>> becasue of the cost. She defintiely wanted a power seat and preferred
>>> leather. Unfortunately as soon as you looked for a CR-V equipped that
>>> way, you also got a sun roof, a fancy radio, and other stuff she
>>> didn't care about. This pushed the price up well beyond the other
>>> vehicles we looked at (Toyota Highlander, Ford Edge). She ended up
>>> getting the Highlander.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>
>>
>> Ed, just from research on line, I began to narrow it down to CR-V or
>> Highlander. I realize they aren't exactly the same but one of my main
>> concerns is reliability as I will eventually retire and be on a fixed
>> income so I don't want to spend a lot on repairs if possible. The
>> only negatives I see about the Highlander is the initial price and
>> tire size. I checked one shop and 19" tires are special order (3 or
>> so days). I guess tho, one doesn't change tires too often so that
>> inconvenience might not be too great compared to a lot of repairs in
>> the shop. I once drove a CR-V (2008 model) and I frankly thought it
>> was a bit underpowered tho I understand the newer ones have 14 more
>> horsepower but not sure how much difference that will make upon
>> accelerating, entering a highway. The stuff I read says it's more
>> about torque not horsepower for that so I don't know. I never test
>> drove or rode in a Highlander so my knowledge is strictly what I read
>> from others. Thank you Ed and everyone else.
>
>Highlander vs. CRV is really an apples to oranges comparison. CRV should be
>compared to the 4 cylinder RAV-4 and Highlander competes with the Pilot if
>you want to make a fair comparison.
I know that's why I said in my post above "I realize they aren't
exactly the same...." so I have to agree with you. I was just
trying to compare their reliability followed by maintenance costs tho
the maintenance costs may be unfair too. In any case, I know you are
correct but make allowances for my weak question <grin>. Thank you.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 12 2009 4:40 am
From: "C. E. White"
"E. Meyer" <epmeyer50@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:C7203EC2.137A9%epmeyer50@gmail.com...
> On 11/10/09 4:14 PM, in article
> dtojf59tu29dcdv98p33lauln9touq7nu1@4ax.com,
> "Observer" <none@void.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:56:31 -0500, "C. E. White"
>> <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>> When we recently shopped for a new vehicle for my Mother we looked
>>> at
>>> the CR-V. We have a friend who has one as well. The friend's CR-V
>>> has
>>> been very reliable, but he says he wouldn't buy another one. His
>>> biggest complaint is the seating position. He has a base model
>>> with
>>> the non-power driver's seat. My biggest complaint about his CR-V
>>> was
>>> the wind noise. It was among the noisest vehicles on the highway I
>>> been in in a long time. For my Mother we decided against the CR-V
>>> becasue of the cost. She defintiely wanted a power seat and
>>> preferred
>>> leather. Unfortunately as soon as you looked for a CR-V equipped
>>> that
>>> way, you also got a sun roof, a fancy radio, and other stuff she
>>> didn't care about. This pushed the price up well beyond the other
>>> vehicles we looked at (Toyota Highlander, Ford Edge). She ended up
>>> getting the Highlander.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>
>>
>> Ed, just from research on line, I began to narrow it down to CR-V
>> or
>> Highlander. I realize they aren't exactly the same but one of my
>> main
>> concerns is reliability as I will eventually retire and be on a
>> fixed
>> income so I don't want to spend a lot on repairs if possible. The
>> only negatives I see about the Highlander is the initial price and
>> tire size. I checked one shop and 19" tires are special order (3
>> or
>> so days). I guess tho, one doesn't change tires too often so that
>> inconvenience might not be too great compared to a lot of repairs
>> in
>> the shop. I once drove a CR-V (2008 model) and I frankly thought
>> it
>> was a bit underpowered tho I understand the newer ones have 14 more
>> horsepower but not sure how much difference that will make upon
>> accelerating, entering a highway. The stuff I read says it's more
>> about torque not horsepower for that so I don't know. I never
>> test
>> drove or rode in a Highlander so my knowledge is strictly what I
>> read
>> from others. Thank you Ed and everyone else.
>
> Highlander vs. CRV is really an apples to oranges comparison. CRV
> should be
> compared to the 4 cylinder RAV-4 and Highlander competes with the
> Pilot if
> you want to make a fair comparison.
I suppose you are technically correct, but that is not the way we
looked at it when we were shopping. From a price standpoint, the
Highlander and CR-V were much closer than the CR-V and RAV4. The RAV4
with similar equipment is much less expensive than the CR-V. The
Highlander my Mother ended up buying was over $1500 less than the
price we were quoted for a CR-V. The problem with the CR-V was how
they all seem to be equipped. The base Highlander my Mother purchased
included everything she wanted except leather seats. I talked her out
of those. Her Highlander has a very nice power drivers seat, alloy
wheels, a third row seat, A/C, power window, power locks, power this,
power that.....everythig she had on her wish list except the leather.
The CR-V we got a quote on had a power drivers seat, leather, a sun
roof (that was not wanted), electronic temperature control (another
unwanted item), and a much higher price tag. We checked with two Honda
dealers and it seemed you had two choices, a stripped down CR-V with
manual seats or an expensive model with a bunch of stuff my Mother did
not care about. Even the stripped down model cost about the same as
the base Highlander and much more than a base RAV4. The Highlander had
more room, rode better, was much quieter, and cost less....seemed like
a no brainer to us. I am sure the CR-V would get better gas mileage,
but my Mother only drives about 6,000 miles a year. I doubt she would
ever save enough on gas to justify the higher priced CR-V on that
basis. In the end, the CR-V was never even close. The Pilot was in a
completely different category in terms of price. The Pilots we looked
at were much higher priced than the Highlanders. Maybe Honda has a
stripped down Pilot version that can compete on price with a
Highlander, but we never saw one. The cheaspest Pilots we saw were
$7,000+ more than the Highlander my Mother purchased. I like Pilots,
and would even consider buying one for myself, but as far as my Mother
was concerned, they were in a whole different catregory.
Ed
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 12 2009 5:13 am
From: "E. Meyer"
On 11/12/09 6:40 AM, in article hdgvua$kol$1@news.eternal-september.org, "C
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