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* test 123 - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* abc - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Advice on replacing 94-97 Accord muffler? Dealing with rubber hangers? - 3
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* First Honda CR-Z hybrid hatchback details appear courtesy of leaked brochure
- 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: test 123
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/t/17c1b4c1fc904e94?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 9 2009 8:23 pm
From: AZ Nomad
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:24:53 +0800, Patrina Nasiron <moonr@tm.net.my> wrote:
>test 123
plonk
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 10 2009 5:49 am
From: Nasty
Patrina Nasiron wrote:
> test 123
a)456 (extrapolation)
b)6 (addition)
c)-4 (subtaction)
d)6 (multiplication)
e)all the above
f)none of the above
g)a and b only
h)a and c only
i)a and d only
j)b and c only
k)b and d only
l)c and b only
m)c and d only
n)a,b, and c only
o)a,b, and d only
p)b,c, and d only
q)c,d, and a only
There will be more than one correct answer. There may be others I didn't
find.
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TOPIC: abc
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/t/c7dee63690f40e53?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 10 2009 1:14 am
From: Patrina Nasiron
abc
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 10 2009 7:18 am
From: "Tinkerer"
"Patrina Nasiron" <moonr@tm.net.my> wrote in message
news:4b20bd0e$1_2@news.tm.net.my...
> abc
Why don't you use a dedicated test group like alt.test 'cos that's what it's
meant for.
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Tinkerer
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TOPIC: Advice on replacing 94-97 Accord muffler? Dealing with rubber hangers?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/t/6177abc0dc793c8f?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 10 2009 5:04 am
From: Tegger
Peabody <waybackNO784SPAM44@yahoo.com> wrote in news:9cZTm.49774$ky1.6239
@newsfe14.iad:
>
> Well, what I'm looking at is a direct-fit replacement made
> by Bosal. These are available at RockAuto for about $90,
> that's for #281-365, and a Honda would be $219 at the
> dealer, or maybe $150 online. But the Bosal is not a
> generic oval can. It looks exactly like the Honda muffler,
> installs the same way, and supposedly is made of aluminzed
> steel, whatever that means.
>
> Is there a chance the Bosal would be the same quality as
> Honda, or that Bosal is even the Honda US muffler supplier?
Bosal is indeed a Honda OEM supplier, but that doesn't mean they sell the
same quality into the aftermarket that they do to Honda. FRAM is also a
Honda supplier, but are their aftermarket filters the same as what they
sell to Honda?
It's highly unlikely the aftermarket part is exactly the same as the Honda
one. Don't just look at the can, look also at the rest of the system. Is
the steel of equal thickness and quality? Are the hangers exactly the same?
Are the mounting flanges exactly the same? Are the welds of equal quality?
>
> http://www.bosalna.com/index.php?mod=exhaust
>
> But,if you were going to buy a genuine Honda muffler, where
> would you shop for the best price?
Any Honda dealer. Nobody but a Honda dealer can sell Honda parts. Ask all
the dealers in your area for their price.
>
> If I have this done by a local shop (not the dealer), I'm
> looking at $275 for a Honda muffler, installed.
It won't be OEM Honda, but an aftermarket "OEM spec" muffler. "OEM spec"
means they tried a (very) little bit harder to make it less crappy than
their usual aftermarket shit.
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Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 10 2009 5:26 am
From: nwf_snake
I purchased a Walker muffler and pipe from Rockauto.com for my '96
Accord. Looks and fit like the stock unit. Reused the rubber
hangars, but got new gaskets and bolts as well as a stainless tip.
Nice and quiet again.! They were offereing a $40 rebate on the
muffler when I purchased it.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 10 2009 4:50 pm
From: JRE
Tegger wrote:
> Peabody <waybackNO784SPAM44@yahoo.com> wrote in news:9cZTm.49774$ky1.6239
> @newsfe14.iad:
>
>
>> Well, what I'm looking at is a direct-fit replacement made
>> by Bosal. These are available at RockAuto for about $90,
>> that's for #281-365, and a Honda would be $219 at the
>> dealer, or maybe $150 online. But the Bosal is not a
>> generic oval can. It looks exactly like the Honda muffler,
>> installs the same way, and supposedly is made of aluminzed
>> steel, whatever that means.
>>
>> Is there a chance the Bosal would be the same quality as
>> Honda, or that Bosal is even the Honda US muffler supplier?
>
> Bosal is indeed a Honda OEM supplier, but that doesn't mean they sell the
> same quality into the aftermarket that they do to Honda. FRAM is also a
> Honda supplier, but are their aftermarket filters the same as what they
> sell to Honda?
>
> It's highly unlikely the aftermarket part is exactly the same as the Honda
> one. Don't just look at the can, look also at the rest of the system. Is
> the steel of equal thickness and quality? Are the hangers exactly the same?
> Are the mounting flanges exactly the same? Are the welds of equal quality?
>
>> http://www.bosalna.com/index.php?mod=exhaust
>>
>> But,if you were going to buy a genuine Honda muffler, where
>> would you shop for the best price?
>
> Any Honda dealer. Nobody but a Honda dealer can sell Honda parts. Ask all
> the dealers in your area for their price.
>
>> If I have this done by a local shop (not the dealer), I'm
>> looking at $275 for a Honda muffler, installed.
>
> It won't be OEM Honda, but an aftermarket "OEM spec" muffler. "OEM spec"
> means they tried a (very) little bit harder to make it less crappy than
> their usual aftermarket shit.
For the vast majority of aftermarket exhaust parts, I agree with your
assessment. Many are poorly made and do not last nearly a long as OEM.
I also agree that OEM oil filters are usually worth the slight extra
cost, and I have never put an aftermarket filter on a Honda.
However, for our early 90's Hondas (a Civic and an Accord), I have seen
_no_ significant difference in lifetime between Bosal exhaust parts and
Honda parts. In fact, the original B pipe failed *under warranty* on
the Accord, then less than three years old, at 35,950 miles. (Enough
warranty miles left to make it home from work and then to the nearest
dealer with a few to go. Perfect timing!) This is on a car that makes
a minimum one-way trip of about 17 miles, too, not an around-town car
that never gets the exhaust hot enough to boil off the water when the
weather is cold.
The Bosal pipes, mufflers, and resonators are well made and have always
bolted up perfectly to both other Bosal pipes and Honda pipes. The only
significant difference I can see is that the OEM pipes have flanged
hangers (to help hold the rubber donuts on) and the Bosal pipes have
straight hangers bent at the end for retention instead (no, they do not
fall off).
Had I known the car would last this long, I'd have invested in a
stainless steel exhaust for the Accord long ago...
All that said, does the lifetime warranty apply to all new Honda exhaust
parts, including those for older cars? If so, I might reconsider using
Honda parts next time (though all the pipes are now under a year old, so
it will be some time before then).
--
JRE
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TOPIC: First Honda CR-Z hybrid hatchback details appear courtesy of leaked
brochure
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Date: Thurs, Dec 10 2009 11:12 pm
From: sjmmail2000-247@yahoo.co.uk
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