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* Haynes Repair Manual or Equivalent - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/t/d52309e59a8cf2cd?hl=en
* 2003 Civic SRS Experience - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/t/0b59f246618e152c?hl=en
* Muffler for 94 Accord - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/t/d0870930ae45b747?hl=en
* so long honda - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/t/e5afab9a3ea7ba51?hl=en
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TOPIC: Haynes Repair Manual or Equivalent
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/t/d52309e59a8cf2cd?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 12 2009 8:59 am
From: AZ Nomad
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:48:57 -0600, Grumpy AuContraire <GrumpyOne@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote:
>Tegger wrote:
>> "Mel P." <mpernice95@verizon.net> wrote in
>> news:hdctj6$ht5$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>>> Does any one know if Haynes or Chilton or whomever have a manual for
>>> 2009 Civics?
>>> I looked online and did not see anything.
>>>
>>
>>
>> You won't see anything for a few years yet.
>>
>> And when you do, it will be as crappy as any other Haynes/Chilton.
>>
>> If all you want to do is figure out where your oil filter is, then go for
>> the aftermarket stuff. If you will eventually be doing more complex work on
>> your car, bite the bullet and get the real ($400) thing from the Honda
>> dealer.
>>
>> Factory Honda shop manuals are of sparkling quality, containing information
>> the aftermarket can only dream of.
>>
>Realizing that I only deal with old Hondas, I have found the Haynes Gen
>II manual an excellent compliment to the OEM Honda one. In fact, some
>of the instructions are better than Honda which, (in my case), used
>mostly illustrative instructions.
>Maybe they have changed over the years since cars have become infinitely
>more complex.
>And at $400 for a book, Honda surely is not encouraging
>"do-it-yoursuffers"...
Sometimes the shop manual can be fairly horrible when it comes to what
really needs to be done. I had a nissen sentra that needed a clutch.
Step 1: remove transmission.... Flip to transmission chapter, step
1: remove shifter....
If you followed their steps, you'd be dissasembling the shifter knob
and bleeding the brakes.
Had an acura integra that needed a new alternator. Shop manual's
procedure was to disassembly the suspension on that side of the car.
Mechanic who did the job for me said that pulling the master cylinder
power assist allowed the job to be done in half the time.
The shop manuals don't always have the best methods of getting jobs
done.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 13 2009 4:59 pm
From: "Bob Jones"
"Grumpy AuContraire" <GrumpyOne@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in message
news:m5idnW6uON85pmHXnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Tegger wrote:
>> "Mel P." <mpernice95@verizon.net> wrote in
>> news:hdctj6$ht5$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>>> Does any one know if Haynes or Chilton or whomever have a manual for
>>> 2009 Civics?
>>> I looked online and did not see anything.
>>>
>>
>>
>> You won't see anything for a few years yet.
>>
>> And when you do, it will be as crappy as any other Haynes/Chilton.
>>
>> If all you want to do is figure out where your oil filter is, then go for
>> the aftermarket stuff. If you will eventually be doing more complex work
>> on your car, bite the bullet and get the real ($400) thing from the Honda
>> dealer.
>>
>> Factory Honda shop manuals are of sparkling quality, containing
>> information the aftermarket can only dream of.
>>
>
>
> Realizing that I only deal with old Hondas, I have found the Haynes Gen II
> manual an excellent compliment to the OEM Honda one. In fact, some of the
> instructions are better than Honda which, (in my case), used mostly
> illustrative instructions.
>
> Maybe they have changed over the years since cars have become infinitely
> more complex.
>
> And at $400 for a book, Honda surely is not encouraging
> "do-it-yoursuffers"...
>
> JT
>
I have never seen Honda service manual sold for $400. I ordered one from
helminc.com a few years ago, it was $75. It might be slightly higher now but
shouldn't be that much more.
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TOPIC: 2003 Civic SRS Experience
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/t/0b59f246618e152c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 13 2009 6:46 am
From: Elle
I had an opportunity to buy a 2003 Civic LX with 81k miles on it
several weeks ago at a great price, and I did. At the time of
purchase, one of the door locks did not work, and the SRS indicator
light was on. I fixed the door lock easily, replacing the lock's
cylinder plates etc. Then I started on the SRS system. The title is
clean and there were no indications of an accident. I researched a lot
on the internet and with shop manuals (free at my public library along
with bits and pieces posted at various web site). I made some tools
for a few dollars to re-set the SRS memory and read the SRS code being
thrown. I re-set the SRS memory often while I was figuring out how to
read codes on the cheap. Once I got my tools together and figured out
what two connectors I needed to find under the dash for (1) re-setting
the SRS memory and (2) reading codes, things became easy.
Only one code was being thrown, Code 9-3. This is for a faulty
driver's seat belt buckle switch. Knowing the code and so thinking
this would very likely be covered under Honda's lifetime seat belt
warranty, I reported to my dealer. My dealer reads codes for free, but
subsequent repairs may not be. My dealer was great: The service
department read the code, assured me the repair was covered under
warranty, and ordered the part. Less than two days I was driving home
with the new seat belt buckle installed. I asked to keep the old
buckle (for tinkering, ya know) but the dealer said they needed to
turn it over to Honda as part of the warranty procedure.
One of the Service Department fellows said his understanding is that
this seat belt buckle switch wears /by design/ so people do come in
periodically [every several years] to get a new seat belt buckle. The
idea being it preserves the integrity of the seat belt as a restraint
and so saves Honda from lawsuits. I do not know if this is true or
not. Since I had an experience with my 1991 Civic's seat belt in 2001
or so and the dealer fixed it without question, it seems to me that
the lifetime seat belt warranty is something Honda seems to hold
sacred.
From reading on the net, SRS light problems seem to come up a lot with
this generation. Here is my writeup on what I did:
http://sites.google.com/site/hondalioness/srs
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TOPIC: Muffler for 94 Accord
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/t/d0870930ae45b747?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 13 2009 5:50 pm
From: "Bob Jones"
"Peabody" <waybackNO784SPAM44@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:CinKm.15295$ET3.2754@newsfe17.iad...
>I need to replace the original muffler on my 94 Accord (63k miles),
> and it appears it will cost close to US$300 to have a Honda
> original equimpment "bolt-in" replacement done. Has anyone had any
> luck with the muffler chains like Midas, etc.? Are they less
> expensive? Are the mufflers any good?
>
>
If I were you, I would stay far away from Midas or other muffler chains for
that matter. I got the economizer from them once. The muffler was universal
and had to be welded on. When you add the cost of tail pipe, hangers and
labor, it can easily be over $400. Worse yet, the muffler only lasted for a
year. Although they were willing to replace it for a small fee, what a
hassle having to take the car back every year.
To me OEM is an easy choice. I get the same performance and quietness as the
original.
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TOPIC: so long honda
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/t/e5afab9a3ea7ba51?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 13 2009 11:24 pm
From: Tony Harding
Iowna Uass wrote:
> "Grumpy AuContraire" <GrumpyOne@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in message
> news:Oo6dnRAYldoYmX_XnZ2dnUVZ_s1i4p2d@giganews.com...
>> Tegger wrote:
>>> GravityPhysics@webtv.net (tj Frazir) wrote in news:29161-4AE096FA-1040
>>> @storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net:
>>>
>>>> Whale.Steam.Engine.3.jpg
>>>> Address:http://jeffrelf.f-m.fm/Whale.Steam.Engine.3.jpg Changed:4:44 PM
>>>> on Wednesday, October 14, 2009
>>>>
>>>> honda cant compete with 10 % the fuel 13 times the tourk.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe not, but Honda's engines are made of metal and actually function.
>>> The picture you provided is of a crude felt-tip-pen drawing on paper. Big
>>> whoop.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Whatsa "tourk?"
>>
>> JT
>>
>> (Who has done some traveling but never heard of that blend)
>>
>
> I had one the other weekend.
> Pretty tasty with gravy and cranberry sauce.
Oh, so it's not the new(ish) SUV from VW?
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