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* Toyota Report Inconclusive - 5 messages, 3 authors
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TOPIC: Toyota Report Inconclusive
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 6 2009 5:57 pm
From: dr_jeff
Michael Golden wrote:
> George Orwell wrote:
>
>> Every car sold should be mandated by law to be equipped with a
>> "kill switch." Motorcycles have this safety feature, so why not
>> cars?
>
> Just what we need - more Federal laws.
>
>> Turning the ignition switch is not an option because it
>> locks the steering wheel. In fact, many cars no longer have an
>> ignition switch to turn, even if it was possible to do so and
>> stop a runaway. A good config for a kill switch is a big red
>> button marked "PUSH TO KILL POWER." Power steering and power
>> brakes must continue to function as the car coasts down.
>
> Every car I've ever driven requires the key to be physically removed
> from the lock before the steering wheel will lock.
That's not true about the cars I've owned. But, I think there is a
position where the steering wheel turns and the engine is off.
Regardless, if one puts the car in neutral, he will have power steering,
power brakes and an unlocked steering wheel. This is probably the best
option. A blown-up engine is better than a crashed person(s).
Jeff
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 7 2009 5:42 am
From: PeterD
On 7 Dec 2009 01:42:11 GMT, "Michael Golden" <mgolden@bkbusa.com>
wrote:
>Every car I've ever driven requires the key to be physically removed
>from the lock before the steering wheel will lock.
Buzz... Wrong. Unless your driving experience is *very* limited. All
vehicles have the ignition switch setup as:
Accessory (Key cannot be removed, many accessories (radio, etc.) can
be used.)
Lock (key can be removed, but need not be removed... Shifter must be
in park to turn key to lock in many vehicles, but not all).
Unlock (Key cannot be removed, engine is off, some accessories may be
active).
Run (Key cannot be removed, engine runs.)
Start (Key cannot be removed, engine start.)
You can only remove the key in the Lock position. Most vehicles
require the shifter be in neutral (for automatics) to turn to lock,
but not all cars do so.
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 7 2009 3:27 pm
From: dr_jeff
PeterD wrote:
> On 7 Dec 2009 01:42:11 GMT, "Michael Golden" <mgolden@bkbusa.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>> Every car I've ever driven requires the key to be physically removed
>>from the lock before the steering wheel will lock.
>
> Buzz... Wrong. Unless your driving experience is *very* limited. All
> vehicles have the ignition switch setup as:
>
> Accessory (Key cannot be removed, many accessories (radio, etc.) can
> be used.)
>
> Lock (key can be removed, but need not be removed... Shifter must be
> in park to turn key to lock in many vehicles, but not all).
>
> Unlock (Key cannot be removed, engine is off, some accessories may be
> active).
>
> Run (Key cannot be removed, engine runs.)
>
> Start (Key cannot be removed, engine start.)
>
>
> You can only remove the key in the Lock position. Most vehicles
> require the shifter be in neutral (for automatics) to turn to lock,
> but not all cars do so.
Some cars only require that the key be in the car (they send an
electronic signal to the car from inside). Others have a separate start
button. So, not all cars have an ignition switch setup as you describe.
Jeff
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 7 2009 4:02 pm
From: "hls"
"dr_jeff" <utz@msu.edu> wrote in message
news:EPKdnV2e5Yz3EoDWnZ2dnUVZ_tti4p2d@giganews.com...
> PeterD wrote:
>> On 7 Dec 2009 01:42:11 GMT, "Michael Golden" <mgolden@bkbusa.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Every car I've ever driven requires the key to be physically removed
>>>from the lock before the steering wheel will lock.
>>
>> Buzz... Wrong. Unless your driving experience is *very* limited. All
>> vehicles have the ignition switch setup as:
>>
>> Accessory (Key cannot be removed, many accessories (radio, etc.) can
>> be used.)
>>
>> Lock (key can be removed, but need not be removed... Shifter must be
>> in park to turn key to lock in many vehicles, but not all).
>>
>> Unlock (Key cannot be removed, engine is off, some accessories may be
>> active).
>>
>> Run (Key cannot be removed, engine runs.)
>>
>> Start (Key cannot be removed, engine start.) You can only remove the key
>> in the Lock position. Most vehicles
>> require the shifter be in neutral (for automatics) to turn to lock,
>> but not all cars do so.
>
> Some cars only require that the key be in the car (they send an electronic
> signal to the car from inside). Others have a separate start button. So,
> not all cars have an ignition switch setup as you describe.
>
> Jeff
I have two cars, a Toyota Avalon about 2 and a half years old, and a Toyota
Solara about 4 months old.
The Avalon has the keyless system. I can stop the car in either Park or
Neutral,
and the steering wheel will be effectively locked no matter where it is when
I kill the
engine.
Neither of them is a hard mechanical lock, but appears to be effective.
Note that I
said there is no mechanical lock that I can detect in the steering column.
The newer Solara is a key system and works in much the same way.
Makes no difference whatsoever if you stop and kill the engine in Park or in
Neutral.
For what it is worth....
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 7 2009 4:39 pm
From: "hls"
"hls" <hls@nospam.nix> wrote in message
> I have two cars, a Toyota Avalon about 2 and a half years old, and a
> Toyota
> Solara about 4 months old.
>
> The Avalon has the keyless system. I can stop the car in either Park or
> Neutral,
> and the steering wheel will be effectively locked no matter where it is
> when I kill the
> engine.
>
> Neither of them is a hard mechanical lock, but appears to be effective.
> Note that I
> said there is no mechanical lock that I can detect in the steering column
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