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TOPIC: Toyota says no evidence 'runaway' Prius happened
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== 1 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 16 2010 2:49 pm
From: dr_jeff
Nasty wrote:
> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> "Justbob30" <NoThank@you.com> wrote in message
>> news:hno406$9el$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
>>> news:LFKnn.40001$_v6.22173@newsfe08.iad...
>>>> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:elmop-3343C8.07475616032010@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> In article <4LednSrST467RAPWnZ2dnUVZ_h6dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>> dbu'' <nospam@nobama.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> When this "runaway" accelertor problem happens, can't the driver
>>>>>>> yank the
>>>>>>> gear shift to neutral, and/or turn the ignition off?
>>>>>> The Prius is unlike any conventional car. I don't believe it's quite
>>>>>> that simple.
>>>>> see, you're representative of the public at large. You can't possibly
>>>>> imagine that a Prius could behave like every other car in the
>>>>> world--even though you've never owned or driven one.
>>>>>
>>>>> The driver can indeed yank the shifter into neutral and/or turn the
>>>>> car
>>>>> off. Yanking into neutral is as easy as it is in a Buick--touch shift
>>>>> lever, move to neutral.
>>>>>
>>>>> And you know what happens? Yeah. No drama. Drive system disengages,
>>>>> gas engine stops running, car immediately starts slowing down.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no conventional key, there might even be a delay
>>>>>> in time for ignition off due to the electronics involved.
>>>>> If you're using the power button, they've programmed it with a 3
>>>>> second
>>>>> delay. You'd know that if (a) you owned one, and (b) you bothered to
>>>>> read the owner's manual of your shiny new $25,000 toy. Of course,
>>>>> arrogant asses who claim they know everything about driving never
>>>>> bother
>>>>> even to open or keep track of their owner's manual, let alone read it,
>>>>> so they wouldn't know how their specific car operates. Even when they
>>>>> get in and see that there's no key like in their '67 Buick, they never
>>>>> bother to investigate how that power button works.
>>>>
>>>> So, when they arrive at their destination, they leave their Prius
>>>> running?
>>> Since the car doe NOT run when stopped (most of the time) yes it has
>>> been known to happen...again maybe if you had ever driven one.
>
> The gas motor may not be running when stopped if the battery is charged
> but the car is still under battery power and if left on and in drive it
> will walk away from you
Only if you give it legs.
== 2 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 16 2010 3:36 pm
From: "tc"
"pws" <pwshelton@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> "pws" <pwshelton@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:hnopt3$mhb$2@speranza.aioe.org...
>>> Ray O wrote:
>>>> "dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:cmsup5do4n9dqf8fhgc41u84nvipe2ie6p@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 07:47:56 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
>>>>> <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <4LednSrST467RAPWnZ2dnUVZ_h6dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>> dbu'' <nospam@nobama.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When this "runaway" accelertor problem happens, can't the driver
>>>>>>>> yank the
>>>>>>>> gear shift to neutral, and/or turn the ignition off?
>>>>>>> The Prius is unlike any conventional car. I don't believe it's
>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>> that simple.
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> Toyota innovations are getting ahead of operator
>>>>>>> understanding of these vehicles.
>>>>>> Dude, SHIFTING TO NEUTRAL IS NOT A "TOYOTA INNOVATION". What the
>>>>>> fuck
>>>>>> is so hard to understand about this simple and oh-so-basic function?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For Sikes to have claimed that "I thought the car would flip if I
>>>>>> shifted to neutral" is enough for me to demand that he be taken off
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> road for the rest of his life.
>>>>> And that is the bottom line. I would worry that the engine might
>>>>> destroy itself if I shifted a runaway car into neutral, but given that
>>>>> the other option is to smash into someone else at 90+ mph, I take that
>>>>> risk.
>>>> AFAIK, all fuel injected Toyotas have a rev limiter which cuts fuel
>>>> when the engine reaches just above redline on the tachometer.
>>> My parent's Camry has another rev limited, it's called my parents.
>>>
>>> I don't think that they have ever hit the redline in anything..........
>>
>> So, a "tuneup" means let someone under 60 drive it for an hour? :-)
>
> You nailed it........Also, make that rev limiter, but everyone probably
> knew that already. :-)
>
>I would rather be on the road with your parents, than someone going 30+ mph
>over the speed limit and texting their girl or boy friend
the red line is there for a purpose, and if you do hit it I hope its with a
car you paid for not your parents. There is a lot to be said for growing up
and being responsible
== 3 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 16 2010 4:01 pm
From: AZ Nomad
On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:27:46 -0400, Nasty <nasty@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> "Justbob30" <NoThank@you.com> wrote in message
>> news:hno406$9el$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
>>> news:LFKnn.40001$_v6.22173@newsfe08.iad...
>>>> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:elmop-3343C8.07475616032010@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> In article <4LednSrST467RAPWnZ2dnUVZ_h6dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>> dbu'' <nospam@nobama.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> When this "runaway" accelertor problem happens, can't the driver yank
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> gear shift to neutral, and/or turn the ignition off?
>>>>>> The Prius is unlike any conventional car. I don't believe it's quite
>>>>>> that simple.
>>>>> see, you're representative of the public at large. You can't possibly
>>>>> imagine that a Prius could behave like every other car in the
>>>>> world--even though you've never owned or driven one.
>>>>>
>>>>> The driver can indeed yank the shifter into neutral and/or turn the car
>>>>> off. Yanking into neutral is as easy as it is in a Buick--touch shift
>>>>> lever, move to neutral.
>>>>>
>>>>> And you know what happens? Yeah. No drama. Drive system disengages,
>>>>> gas engine stops running, car immediately starts slowing down.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no conventional key, there might even be a delay
>>>>>> in time for ignition off due to the electronics involved.
>>>>> If you're using the power button, they've programmed it with a 3 second
>>>>> delay. You'd know that if (a) you owned one, and (b) you bothered to
>>>>> read the owner's manual of your shiny new $25,000 toy. Of course,
>>>>> arrogant asses who claim they know everything about driving never bother
>>>>> even to open or keep track of their owner's manual, let alone read it,
>>>>> so they wouldn't know how their specific car operates. Even when they
>>>>> get in and see that there's no key like in their '67 Buick, they never
>>>>> bother to investigate how that power button works.
>>>>
>>>> So, when they arrive at their destination, they leave their Prius
>>>> running?
>>> Since the car doe NOT run when stopped (most of the time) yes it has been
>>> known to happen...again maybe if you had ever driven one.
>The gas motor may not be running when stopped if the battery is charged
>but the car is still under battery power and if left on and in drive it
>will walk away from you
Do you have some insane notion that electric motors idle?
== 4 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 16 2010 4:04 pm
From: pws
tc wrote:
>
>
> "pws" <pwshelton@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:hnoqrp$pfo$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>> "pws" <pwshelton@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> news:hnopt3$mhb$2@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>> Ray O wrote:
>>>>> "dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:cmsup5do4n9dqf8fhgc41u84nvipe2ie6p@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 07:47:56 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
>>>>>> <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <4LednSrST467RAPWnZ2dnUVZ_h6dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>> dbu'' <nospam@nobama.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When this "runaway" accelertor problem happens, can't the
>>>>>>>>> driver yank the
>>>>>>>>> gear shift to neutral, and/or turn the ignition off?
>>>>>>>> The Prius is unlike any conventional car. I don't believe it's
>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>>> that simple.
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> Toyota innovations are getting ahead of operator
>>>>>>>> understanding of these vehicles.
>>>>>>> Dude, SHIFTING TO NEUTRAL IS NOT A "TOYOTA INNOVATION". What the
>>>>>>> fuck
>>>>>>> is so hard to understand about this simple and oh-so-basic function?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For Sikes to have claimed that "I thought the car would flip if I
>>>>>>> shifted to neutral" is enough for me to demand that he be taken
>>>>>>> off the
>>>>>>> road for the rest of his life.
>>>>>> And that is the bottom line. I would worry that the engine might
>>>>>> destroy itself if I shifted a runaway car into neutral, but given
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> the other option is to smash into someone else at 90+ mph, I take
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> risk.
>>>>> AFAIK, all fuel injected Toyotas have a rev limiter which cuts fuel
>>>>> when the engine reaches just above redline on the tachometer.
>>>> My parent's Camry has another rev limited, it's called my parents.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think that they have ever hit the redline in anything.........
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