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== 1 of 25 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 9:52 pm
From: "Daniel who wants to know"
"dr_jeff" <utz@msu.edu> wrote in message news:4BA2CD35.8070608@msu.edu...
>
> My dad's Ford Five Hundred has a CVT. The controls are marked like those
> of an automatic, with P, R, N, D and either low or 1.
>
> Jeff
Just don't confuse the two systems like many seem to do. Your dad's Five
Hundred and my friend's Freestyle have a cone and belt CVT which varies the
effective size of the driving and driven pulleys to change ratios, it still
requires a torque converter, reverse gear of some sort, and a high pressure
hydraulic pump to apply tension to the stainless steel belt.
The PSD in a Toyota hybrid mimics a CVT by varying the speed difference
between the 2 motor/generators to change ratios. It has no torque converter
or reverse gear and just has a small fluid pump to keep the bearings lubed.
== 2 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 1:27 am
From: "Cameo"
"pws" <pwshelton@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> This '94 Accord LX is actually pretty nice for what it is. Very good
> gas mileage.
>
> It has pretty high wind noise, but this is also a very lightweight car
> compared to many other 4 door sedans, and I like that.
>
> The seats could be a lot better. This car is cheap to insure,
> however, and it doesn't attract the attention of the various
> ticket-writers, so there are definitely some advantages.
>
> The reliability is what I like about it the most, and at the low miles
> it has, it will hopefully remain reliable for some time to come.
Especially if it was assembled in Japan. Was it?
== 3 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 1:35 am
From: "Cameo"
"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
news:Xns9D40D4A65EABtegger@208.90.168.18...
> Thanks for the invaluable tip.
I am parsing that "invaluable" as not valuable. (You know, like
"incorrect" is not correct.)
== 4 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 3:31 am
From: dr_jeff
Daniel who wants to know wrote:
> "dr_jeff" <utz@msu.edu> wrote in message news:4BA2CD35.8070608@msu.edu...
>> My dad's Ford Five Hundred has a CVT. The controls are marked like those
>> of an automatic, with P, R, N, D and either low or 1.
>>
>> Jeff
>
> Just don't confuse the two systems like many seem to do. Your dad's Five
> Hundred and my friend's Freestyle have a cone and belt CVT which varies the
> effective size of the driving and driven pulleys to change ratios, it still
> requires a torque converter, reverse gear of some sort, and a high pressure
> hydraulic pump to apply tension to the stainless steel belt.
>
> The PSD in a Toyota hybrid mimics a CVT by varying the speed difference
> between the 2 motor/generators to change ratios. It has no torque converter
> or reverse gear and just has a small fluid pump to keep the bearings lubed.
Just to be clear, the Toyota system is still a CVT, but of a completely
different type.
A Ford transmission with a belt? That sounds funny. A belt carrying the
load in a big car's transmission? It's a steel belt, though. And heavy
duty. I have seen the working model at NY Auto Show.
Jeff
== 5 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 5:59 am
From: Tegger
Nasty <nasty@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in
news:4ba44e46$0$5088$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com:
>>
>>
>
> 'Teg??
>
Integra.
--
Tegger
== 6 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 6:03 am
From: pws
Cameo wrote:
> "pws" <pwshelton@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>> This '94 Accord LX is actually pretty nice for what it is. Very good
>> gas mileage.
>>
>> It has pretty high wind noise, but this is also a very lightweight car
>> compared to many other 4 door sedans, and I like that.
>>
>> The seats could be a lot better. This car is cheap to insure, however,
>> and it doesn't attract the attention of the various ticket-writers, so
>> there are definitely some advantages.
>>
>> The reliability is what I like about it the most, and at the low miles
>> it has, it will hopefully remain reliable for some time to come.
>
> Especially if it was assembled in Japan. Was it?
How do I find out where it was assembled? Also, this is a 1995 model, I
often think it is a 1994 model for some reason.
I finally hit 80,000 miles yesterday!
== 7 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 6:05 am
From: Tegger
"Cameo" <cameo@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:ho21br$97p$1@news.eternal-
september.org:
> "Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D40D4A65EABtegger@208.90.168.18...
>
>> Thanks for the invaluable tip.
>
> I am parsing that "invaluable" as not valuable. (You know, like
> "incorrect" is not correct.)
>
>
Having to explain a joke, ruins it. But I'll explain anyway.
"Invaluable" means "having value beyond measure", or "priceless". You can
define my comment as "ironic", or "tongue in cheek".
Tegger's School of Humor is now closed, never to re-open. Maybe.
--
Tegger
== 8 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 6:10 am
From: Tegger
pws <pwshelton@austin.rr.com> wrote in news:ho2h3r$abk$1@speranza.aioe.org:
> Cameo wrote:
>>
>> Especially if it was assembled in Japan. Was it?
>
> How do I find out where it was assembled? Also, this is a 1995 model, I
> often think it is a 1994 model for some reason.
Look at the VIN number in the windshield.
If the first character is a
1 = US assembly
J = Japan assembly.
If the 10th character is a
P = 1993
R = 1994
S = 1995
T = 1996.
>
> I finally hit 80,000 miles yesterday!
>
It's probably broken-in by now, but give it a bit longer to be sure.
--
Tegger
== 9 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 6:27 am
From: pws
Tegger wrote:
> pws <pwshelton@austin.rr.com> wrote in news:ho2h3r$abk$1@speranza.aioe.org:
>
>> Cameo wrote:
>
>>> Especially if it was assembled in Japan. Was it?
>> How do I find out where it was assembled? Also, this is a 1995 model, I
>> often think it is a 1994 model for some reason.
>
>
> Look at the VIN number in the windshield.
>
> If the first character is a
> 1 = US assembly
> J = Japan assembly.
>
> If the 10th character is a
> P = 1993
> R = 1994
> S = 1995
> T = 1996.
Thank you sir, this is indeed a 1995 model Accord LX that was assembled
in Japan.
> It's probably broken-in by now, but give it a bit longer to be sure.
Hehe, I have put about 3,000 of the miles on the car.
Most of the miles are from Grandma driving it back and forth 200 miles
each direction.
She did not run the A/C enough, and the entire system was replaced for
$1200.00 last year, so that works great now.
This is one of the few cars I have owned where everything works without
any issues.
== 10 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 6:50 am
From: Nasty
Tegger wrote:
> Nasty <nasty@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in
> news:4ba44e46$0$5088$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com:
>
>
>>>
>> 'Teg??
>>
>
>
> Integra.
>
>
Ah so.
== 11 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 9:08 am
From: "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
In article <hntnfk$7tc$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > It's really an ingenious piece of engineering. Too bad it's in such
> > a crappy little box.
>
> Comapred to what? I don't own one, but I have been in them. It's no
> BMW, but for the price it is an incredible deal.
I think so. 45-50mpg, LARGE back seat (three kids can sit abreast), and
the hatch--which is large enough for a family of four to take a week's
vacation with, even putting all the luggage underneath the pull-out
cover.
It's low to the ground, but the seating height isn't nearly as low as my
92 Civic was. I prefer the low to the ground handling to my wife's
minivan.
Speed demon? Nah, although I know it will go 101 at least. Will
self-absorbed 20-somethings from Jalopnik buy it? Nope. But will they
feel shame at dissing this car when they're 40 and have family
responsibilities? Yep. They'll find out what its true value is.
== 12 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 9:41 am
From: dr_jeff
pws wrote:
> Cameo wrote:
>> "pws" <pwshelton@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>> This '94 Accord LX is actually pretty nice for what it is. Very good
>>> gas mileage.
>>>
>>> It has pretty high wind noise, but this is also a very lightweight
>>> car compared to many other 4 door sedans, and I like that.
>>>
>>> The seats could be a lot better. This car is cheap to insure,
>>> however, and it doesn't attract the attention of the various
>>> ticket-writers, so there are definitely some advantages.
>>>
>>> The reliability is what I like about it the most, and at the low
>>> miles it has, it will hopefully remain reliable for some time to come.
>>
>> Especially if it was assembled in Japan. Was it?
>
> How do I find out where it was assembled? Also, this is a 1995 model, I
> often think it is a 1994 model for some reason.
>
> I finally hit 80,000 miles yesterday!
If the first digit in the VIN is a 1, 4 or 5, it was assembled in the
US. If it is a 2 or 3, it was assembled in Canada or Mexico.
If the first digit is a J, it was assembled in Japan.
Jeff
== 13 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 9:51 am
From: Jim Yanik
Nasty <nasty@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in
news:4ba44e46$0$5088$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com:
> Tegger wrote:
>> Nasty <nasty@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in news:4ba39a70$0$23502
>> $9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com:
>>
>>
>>> We have a 2000 Accord and love it. Superb handling but I agree
>>> that it's not a great long haul car. Sneaking up on 150K. By some
>>> standards in here that's nearly a new car!
>>
>>
>>
>> My '91 'Teg is sneaking up on 340,000. It's at about 339,500.
>>
>> I honestly never dared to think that it might go this far. And
>> judging from its current behavior, oil usage, and emissions numbers,
>> I'm thinking it might, possibly, actually hit 400,000.
>>
>>
>
> 'Teg??
>
InTEGra... thus the moniker "Tegger"....
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com
== 14 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 11:01 am
From: "Cameo"
"pws" <pwshelton@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:ho2ige$dkf$1@speranza.aioe.org...
> Thank you sir, this is indeed a 1995 model Accord LX that was
> assembled in Japan.
Lucky you! Now you've got not only a car with unusually low milage, but
even a year younger than you thought. No such luck for me. It is a '94
LX, though still running fine at almost 290 K miles. But then it was
also assembled in Japan.
> She did not run the A/C enough, and the entire system was replaced for
> $1200.00 last year, so that works great now.
Now that could become my problem, too, because I don't use the A/C much
either. Not much need for it where I live.
== 15 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 11:04 am
From: "Cameo"
"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
news:Xns9D415C7521309tegger@208.90.168.18...
>> I am parsing that "invaluable" as not valuable. (You know, like
>> "incorrect" is not correct.)
>
>
> Having to explain a joke, ruins it. But I'll explain anyway.
>
> "Invaluable" means "having value beyond measure", or "priceless". You
> can
> define my comment as "ironic", or "tongue in cheek".
>
> Tegger's School of Humor is now closed, never to re-open. Maybe.
Oh my! I though I could get away without a smiley.
== 16 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 11:06 am
From: "Cameo"
"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
news:Xns9D415B67C6369tegger@208.90.168.18...
>> 'Teg??
>>
>
>
> Integra.
That brings up a question I've been wondering for some time. Which
Integra model is closest to the Accord?
== 17 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 11:57 am
From: "E. Meyer"
On 3/20/10 1:06 PM, in article ho32qo$967$1@news.eternal-september.org,
"Cameo" <cameo@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> "Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D415B67C6369tegger@208.90.168.18...
>>> 'Teg??
>>>
>>
>>
>> Integra.
>
> That brings up a question I've been wondering for some time. Which
> Integra model is closest to the Accord?
>
None. They were closer to a Civic with a stiffer suspension and more
powerful engine.
The Acura TL is an Accord with delusions of grandeur.
== 18 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 12:06 pm
From: pws
Cameo wrote:
> "pws" <pwshelton@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:ho2ige$dkf$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>
>> Thank you sir, this is indeed a 1995 model Accord LX that was
>> assembled in Japan.
>
> Lucky you! Now you've got not only a car with unusually low milage, but
> even a year younger than you thought. No such luck for me. It is a '94
> LX, though still running fine at almost 290 K miles. But then it was
> also assembled in Japan.
Excellent! I hope that mine gives such good service. This car was in one
accident but it was repaired nicely and it drives without issue. My
grandma never told us about that one.
She was 82 at the time and had no intention of giving up her license.
She finally retired from driving in October of 2009 at the age of 92.
== 19 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 3:15 pm
From: Tegger
"Cameo" <cameo@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:ho32qo$967$1@news.eternal-
september.org:
> "Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D415B67C6369tegger@208.90.168.18...
>>> 'Teg??
>>>
>>
>>
>> Integra.
>
> That brings up a question I've been wondering for some time. Which
> Integra model is closest to the Accord?
>
As Meyer says, none. All Integras and RSXs were Civic-based.
Honda in the US no longer sells Civic-based vehicles under the Acura
nameplate; all US-market Acuras are based on the European or American
Accord platform.
However, Honda in Canada does sell the 4-door Acura CSX, which is Civic-
based. We're poorer up here, so Acura Canada needs a cheap car to help
boost their volumes.
--
Tegger
== 20 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 3:30 pm
From: Tegger
"Cameo" <cameo@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:ho32n8$8he$1@news.eternal-
september.org:
> "Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D415C7521309tegger@208.90.168.18...
>>> I am parsing that "invaluable" as not valuable. (You know, like
>>> "incorrect" is not correct.)
>>
>>
>> Having to explain a joke, ruins it. But I'll explain anyway.
>>
>> "Invaluable" means "having value beyond measure", or "priceless". You
>> can
>> define my comment as "ironic", or "tongue in cheek".
>>
>> Tegger's School of Humor is now closed, never to re-open. Maybe.
>
> Oh my! I though I could get away without a smiley.
>
Never underestimate the grimness of a Tegger. I'm so grim and dour you'd
think I was Scottish.
Hey, I have a Scottish joke...
Car salesman: This car will stop on a dime.
Scotsman: That was my dime. Give it back.
I think this is a variation of a Jew joke, but you're not allowed to tell
Jew jokes anymore.
--
Tegger
== 21 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 3:34 pm
From: Tegger
dr_jeff <utz@msu.edu> wrote in
news:IeadnWUO3uQsZznWnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
> If the first digit in the VIN is a 1, 4 or 5, it was assembled in the
> US. If it is a 2 or 3, it was assembled in Canada or Mexico.
To be more precise: Canada is "2", and Mexico is "3".
I don't think Honda makes Accords in Canada or Mexico.
--
Tegger
== 22 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 4:46 pm
From: "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
In article <Xns9D41BC4E26EB9tegger@208.90.168.18>,
Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote:
> I think this is a variation of a Jew joke, but you're not allowed to tell
> Jew jokes anymore.
Did you hear about the guy who asked his Jewish roommate if he could
borrow $50?
The roommate's response: "Fourty dollars? What do you want to borrow
thirty dollars for? Do you know how much money twenty dollars is? And
even if I had the ten, which I don't..."
== 23 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 3:49 pm
From: Tegger
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in
news:elmop-A23961.18460520032010@news.eternal-september.org:
> In article <Xns9D41BC4E26EB9tegger@208.90.168.18>,
> Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote:
>
>> I think this is a variation of a Jew joke, but you're not allowed to
>> tell Jew jokes anymore.
>
> Did you hear about the guy who asked his Jewish roommate if he could
> borrow $50?
>
> The roommate's response: "Fourty dollars? What do you want to borrow
> thirty dollars for? Do you know how much money twenty dollars is?
> And even if I had the ten, which I don't..."
>
I like that one!
It translates well into a Scottish joke too.
--
Tegger
== 24 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 4:17 pm
From: Jim Yanik
"E. Meyer" <e.p.meyer@verizon.net> wrote in
news:C7CA84BE.18F97%e.p.meyer@verizon.net:
> On 3/20/10 1:06 PM, in article ho32qo$967$1@news.eternal-september.org,
> "Cameo" <cameo@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> "Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9D415B67C6369tegger@208.90.168.18...
>>>> 'Teg??
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Integra.
>>
>> That brings up a question I've been wondering for some time. Which
>> Integra model is closest to the Accord?
>>
> None. They were closer to a Civic with a stiffer suspension and more
> powerful engine.
>
> The Acura TL is an Accord with delusions of grandeur.
>
>
Integra was a derivitive of the Civic.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com
== 25 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 7:48 pm
From: "Cameo"
"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
news:Xns9D41BC4E26EB9tegger@208.90.168.18...
> Never underestimate the grimness of a Tegger. I'm so grim and dour
> you'd
> think I was Scottish.
>
> Hey, I have a Scottish joke...
> Car salesman: This car will stop on a dime.
> Scotsman: That was my dime. Give it back.
>
> I think this is a variation of a Jew joke, but you're not allowed to
> tell
> Jew jokes anymore.
Polish jokes are out, too.
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