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TOPIC: Storing a 2008 for 6 months in garage over Canadian winter...what to do?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/t/0ca2f8c979f5eeeb?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 5:45 am
From: Howard Beale
On 10/11/10 11:27 PM, winstonterr wrote:
> Hi,
> I currently have a one car garage and am interested in converting to a
> two car garage. I am wondering how much additional space I need for it.
> I currently have 14 feet on my property line from where the garage ends,
> is that enough to add the second spot? Thank you!
>
I doubt it. There are usually limits on how close to the property line
you can build. In my town for instance, it's 20 feet.
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TOPIC: Read this before you buy
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 13 2010 8:39 pm
From: Gordon McGrew
On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:30:36 -0700, jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>On 10/08/2010 05:10 AM, ACAR wrote:
>> On Sep 30, 8:46?am, Tom Adams<tadams...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> ESC is considered to be the greatest advance in safety since the
>>> seatbelt. ?It will be required on all 2012 cars, but it's still
>>> optional or not available on some 2010 and 2011 models:
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_stability_control#Effectiveness
>>
>> check the hype re. ABS
>> it was supposed to be the greatest safety advance since the
>> seatbelt...
>
>indeed.
>
>e.s.c. hype somehow completely misses the fact that since the exploder
>fiasco, not only frod but many other suv manufacturers have transitioned
>to lower vehicles with wider wheel bases and even more importantly,
>independent rear suspension. with that and mandatory driver skid
>training, you could do without e.s.c. tpms and abs too.
>
>an interesting abs quote:
>
>"Risk compensation
>
>Anti-lock brakes are the subject of some experiments centred around risk
>compensation theory, which asserts that drivers adapt to the safety
>benefit of ABS by driving more aggressively. In a Munich study, half a
>fleet of taxicabs was equipped with anti-lock brakes, while the other
>half had conventional brake systems. The crash rate was substantially
>the same for both types of cab, and Wilde concludes this was due to
>drivers of ABS-equipped cabs taking more risks, assuming that ABS would
>take care of them, while the non-ABS drivers drove more carefully since
>ABS would not be there to help in case of a dangerous situation. A
>similar study was carried out in Oslo, with similar results."
>
>from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-lock_braking_system
We should also consider the alternate theory that ABS doesn't do shit.
Oh yeah, theoretically it provides greater control when braking, but
in the real world I don't think it has ever been shown to reduce
accidents.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 13 2010 9:07 pm
From: jim beam
On 10/13/2010 08:39 PM, Gordon McGrew wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:30:36 -0700, jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> On 10/08/2010 05:10 AM, ACAR wrote:
>>> On Sep 30, 8:46?am, Tom Adams<tadams...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> ESC is considered to be the greatest advance in safety since the
>>>> seatbelt. ?It will be required on all 2012 cars, but it's still
>>>> optional or not available on some 2010 and 2011 models:
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_stability_control#Effectiveness
>>>
>>> check the hype re. ABS
>>> it was supposed to be the greatest safety advance since the
>>> seatbelt...
>>
>> indeed.
>>
>> e.s.c. hype somehow completely misses the fact that since the exploder
>> fiasco, not only frod but many other suv manufacturers have transitioned
>> to lower vehicles with wider wheel bases and even more importantly,
>> independent rear suspension. with that and mandatory driver skid
>> training, you could do without e.s.c. tpms and abs too.
>>
>> an interesting abs quote:
>>
>> "Risk compensation
>>
>> Anti-lock brakes are the subject of some experiments centred around risk
>> compensation theory, which asserts that drivers adapt to the safety
>> benefit of ABS by driving more aggressively. In a Munich study, half a
>> fleet of taxicabs was equipped with anti-lock brakes, while the other
>> half had conventional brake systems. The crash rate was substantially
>> the same for both types of cab, and Wilde concludes this was due to
>> drivers of ABS-equipped cabs taking more risks, assuming that ABS would
>> take care of them, while the non-ABS drivers drove more carefully since
>> ABS would not be there to help in case of a dangerous situation. A
>> similar study was carried out in Oslo, with similar results."
>>
>>from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-lock_braking_system
>
> We should also consider the alternate theory that ABS doesn't do shit.
> Oh yeah, theoretically it provides greater control when braking, but
> in the real world I don't think it has ever been shown to reduce
> accidents.
abs is great for my grandmother. her reactions are so slow, and her
vehicle control so poor, anything that stops her locking the wheels and
drifting off into oblivion is going to be an improvement.
similarly, it's great for planes where the systems react slow and
there's no feedback for the pilot, trains where the the systems react
slow and there's no feedback for the driver, and trucks, well, you get
the idea.
cars though, it really depends on the driver. and the road conditions.
if it's snowy or muddy, i don't want abs. it it's icy, and i'm only
driving in straight lines, i probably do. if it's rainy, maybe i do,
maybe i don't. if it's dry, i definitely don't.
and finally, don't forget, the dirty little secret of modern "crash
safe" cars is that because they're so much heavier, you just can't
control or stop the things like you can a lighter car - they're getting
up there with trucks and trains. "crash safe" also means "crash likely".
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