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TOPIC: Electrical problem - long story
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 18 2010 3:25 pm
From: Jim Yanik
willshak <willshak@00hvc.rr.com> wrote in
news:X6WdnfJcOeHxCz_WnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@supernews.com:
> Jim Yanik wrote the following:
>> willshak <willshak@00hvc.rr.com> wrote in
>> news:X6WdnfNcOeER9T_WnZ2dnUVZ_tcAAAAA@supernews.com:
>>
>>
>>> I have a 1997 Nissan XE 4x4 PU 2.4l,4 cylinder, 5 speed stick. It
>>> has about 68,000 miles on the odometer. I have had it since brand
>>> new. Over the years I have added some electrical stuff that required
>>> tapping into the fuse box.
>>> A. Driving lights.
>>> B. Keyless entry with remote.
>>> C. Extra cigarette lighter sockets for XM radio and GPS.
>>> D. Scangauge II that plugs into the OBD port to give up to the
>>> second vehicle operations, MPH, RPM, MPG, TPS, water temp,
>>> alternator voltage, and other stuff.
>>> All have been working fine until yesterday. I bought a new Garmin
>>> NUVI GPS to replace the old one I had installed.
>>> The new GPS could not use the old GPS's power cable, so I had to
>>> remove the old cable that was stuck in behind other stuff.
>>> This cable had been getting power from an aftermarket cigarette
>>> lighter than I had installed under the dash center in front of the
>>> heater vent. I went to install the new power cable but found that it
>>> was shorter than the old one. This required that I move the power
>>> socket closer to the left side of the underdash mounting. I had no
>>> problem moving it, but I had to remove the two wires from it to take
>>> the shell out of the mount to get to the 2 screws holding it to the
>>> dash.
>>>
>>> I don't know what happened, but after I started the car, The GPS did
>>> work from its newly moved power socket, but....
>>> 1. The Scanguage II did not show anything but a blank screen.
>>> 2. The Radio did not work and could not be turned on. The XM radio
>>> module worked and had a signal from the satellite, but no sound.
>>> 3. The driving lights did not come on from the switch.
>>>
>>> I checked all the fuses in the fuse box and all were OK. I even
>>> removed the 3 taps to see if the radio would come back on. It
>>> didn't. The worse thing was that the OBD socket was apparently not
>>> getting power. I plugged a regular OBD II reader into the socket and
>>> it too had a blank screen, and just beeped.
>>> 4. Lastly, the engine was idling at about 500 RPM according to the
>>> dash tach. It should be about 800 RPM.
>>>
>>
>> that might be "limphome mode".
>>
>
> That's what I suspected.
>>
>>> I took it for a ride and, it could be my imagination, but the engine
>>> seemed to be missing a little. It wasn't a dead cylinder type of
>>> miss. I couldn't hear it, and the engine wasn't shuddering, but I
>>> felt it a little. It was more like the fuel injectors were not
>>> delivering the right amount of fuel into the cylinders.
>>> Anyway, that's my story so far. If anyone can shed some light on
>>> this, I would appreciate it.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> perhaps there's an underhood fuseblock with a blown fuse?
>> you may have added too many accessories.
>
> But I didn't add anything new. I just moved a power socket to replace
> a cable. I hadn't touched anything in the fuse box until I discovered
> the problem
> I don't see any under hood fuse blocks, just a relay box for the
> following 5 items:
> 1. Fuel Pump relay
> 2. AGI relay
> 3. A/C relay
> 4. Clutch/Inhibit relay
> 5. Horn relay
>
at this site,you can download Nissan factory manuals,1 section per 24hr
period;
http://www.nissanhelp.com/
then you can look at the wiring schematics for your model.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com
== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 4:20 am
From: "NissTech"
The first thing I would do is to use a DVOM and check for power on both
sides of the fuse , if the add on components have an inline fuse check that
also.
Next check for power at the component .
Last but not least make sure you have a good ground.
"willshak" <willshak@00hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:X6WdnfNcOeER9T_WnZ2dnUVZ_tcAAAAA@supernews.com...
>I have a 1997 Nissan XE 4x4 PU 2.4l,4 cylinder, 5 speed stick. It has
>about 68,000 miles on the odometer. I have had it since brand new.
> Over the years I have added some electrical stuff that required tapping
> into the fuse box.
> A. Driving lights.
> B. Keyless entry with remote.
> C. Extra cigarette lighter sockets for XM radio and GPS.
> D. Scangauge II that plugs into the OBD port to give up to the second
> vehicle operations, MPH, RPM, MPG, TPS, water temp, alternator voltage,
> and other stuff.
> All have been working fine until yesterday. I bought a new Garmin NUVI GPS
> to replace the old one I had installed.
> The new GPS could not use the old GPS's power cable, so I had to remove
> the old cable that was stuck in behind other stuff.
> This cable had been getting power from an aftermarket cigarette lighter
> than I had installed under the dash center in front of the heater vent. I
> went to install the new power cable but found that it was shorter than the
> old one. This required that I move the power socket closer to the left
> side of the underdash mounting. I had no problem moving it, but I had to
> remove the two wires from it to take the shell out of the mount to get to
> the 2 screws holding it to the dash.
>
> I don't know what happened, but after I started the car, The GPS did work
> from its newly moved power socket, but....
> 1. The Scanguage II did not show anything but a blank screen.
> 2. The Radio did not work and could not be turned on. The XM radio module
> worked and had a signal from the satellite, but no sound.
> 3. The driving lights did not come on from the switch.
> I checked all the fuses in the fuse box and all were OK. I even removed
> the 3 taps to see if the radio would come back on. It didn't.
> The worse thing was that the OBD socket was apparently not getting power.
> I plugged a regular OBD II reader into the socket and it too had a blank
> screen, and just beeped.
> 4. Lastly, the engine was idling at about 500 RPM according to the dash
> tach. It should be about 800 RPM.
> I took it for a ride and, it could be my imagination, but the engine
> seemed to be missing a little. It wasn't a dead cylinder type of miss. I
> couldn't hear it, and the engine wasn't shuddering, but I felt it a
> little. It was more like the fuel injectors were not delivering the right
> amount of fuel into the cylinders.
> Anyway, that's my story so far. If anyone can shed some light on this, I
> would appreciate it.
> --
>
> Bill
> In Hamptonburgh, NY
> In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
> To email, remove the double zeroes after @
== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 4:51 am
From: willshak
NissTech wrote the following:
> The first thing I would do is to use a DVOM and check for power on
> both sides of the fuse , if the add on components have an inline fuse
> check that also.
>
> Next check for power at the component .
>
> Last but not least make sure you have a good ground.
>
>
> "willshak" <willshak@00hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:X6WdnfNcOeER9T_WnZ2dnUVZ_tcAAAAA@supernews.com...
>> I have a 1997 Nissan XE 4x4 PU 2.4l,4 cylinder, 5 speed stick. It
>> has about 68,000 miles on the odometer. I have had it since brand new.
>> Over the years I have added some electrical stuff that required
>> tapping into the fuse box.
>> A. Driving lights.
>> B. Keyless entry with remote.
>> C. Extra cigarette lighter sockets for XM radio and GPS.
>> D. Scangauge II that plugs into the OBD port to give up to the second
>> vehicle operations, MPH, RPM, MPG, TPS, water temp, alternator
>> voltage, and other stuff.
>> All have been working fine until yesterday. I bought a new Garmin
>> NUVI GPS to replace the old one I had installed.
>> The new GPS could not use the old GPS's power cable, so I had to
>> remove the old cable that was stuck in behind other stuff.
>> This cable had been getting power from an aftermarket cigarette
>> lighter than I had installed under the dash center in front of the
>> heater vent. I went to install the new power cable but found that it
>> was shorter than the old one. This required that I move the power
>> socket closer to the left side of the underdash mounting. I had no
>> problem moving it, but I had to remove the two wires from it to take
>> the shell out of the mount to get to the 2 screws holding it to the
>> dash.
>>
>> I don't know what happened, but after I started the car, The GPS did
>> work from its newly moved power socket, but....
>> 1. The Scanguage II did not show anything but a blank screen.
>> 2. The Radio did not work and could not be turned on. The XM radio
>> module worked and had a signal from the satellite, but no sound.
>> 3. The driving lights did not come on from the switch.
>> I checked all the fuses in the fuse box and all were OK. I even
>> removed the 3 taps to see if the radio would come back on. It didn't.
>> The worse thing was that the OBD socket was apparently not getting
>> power. I plugged a regular OBD II reader into the socket and it too
>> had a blank screen, and just beeped.
>> 4. Lastly, the engine was idling at about 500 RPM according to the
>> dash tach. It should be about 800 RPM.
>> I took it for a ride and, it could be my imagination, but the engine
>> seemed to be missing a little. It wasn't a dead cylinder type of
>> miss. I couldn't hear it, and the engine wasn't shuddering, but I
>> felt it a little. It was more like the fuel injectors were not
>> delivering the right amount of fuel into the cylinders.
>> Anyway, that's my story so far. If anyone can shed some light on
>> this, I would appreciate it.
>> --
>>
>> Bill
>> In Hamptonburgh, NY
>> In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
>> To email, remove the double zeroes after @
>
Thanks, Nisstech.
A couple of other things I forgot to mention.
5. The parking brake indicator on the dash is constantly lit, although
the brake is completely retracted.
6. The battery icon on the dash is dimly lit at all times when the key
is in the ON position..
I suspect that the dimly lit battery icon might be the best clue to what
is wrong, but I don't know what it means.
Maybe when I moved the power socket and pulled its wires out from under
the dash to lengthen them, I might have scraped the insulation off one
which is causing a dead short. I will check that later when it gets
warmer out.
I will report if I find anything
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 11:30 am
From: Peter Hill
On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 07:51:19 -0400, willshak <willshak@00hvc.rr.com>
wrote:
>NissTech wrote the following:
>> The first thing I would do is to use a DVOM and check for power on
>> both sides of the fuse , if the add on components have an inline fuse
>> check that also.
>>
>> Next check for power at the component .
>>
>> Last but not least make sure you have a good ground.
>>
>>
>> "willshak" <willshak@00hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:X6WdnfNcOeER9T_WnZ2dnUVZ_tcAAAAA@supernews.com...
>>> I have a 1997 Nissan XE 4x4 PU 2.4l,4 cylinder, 5 speed stick. It
>>> has about 68,000 miles on the odometer. I have had it since brand new.
>>> Over the years I have added some electrical stuff that required
>>> tapping into the fuse box.
>>> A. Driving lights.
>>> B. Keyless entry with remote.
>>> C. Extra cigarette lighter sockets for XM radio and GPS.
>>> D. Scangauge II that plugs into the OBD port to give up to the second
>>> vehicle operations, MPH, RPM, MPG, TPS, water temp, alternator
>>> voltage, and other stuff.
>>> All have been working fine until yesterday. I bought a new Garmin
>>> NUVI GPS to replace the old one I had installed.
>>> The new GPS could not use the old GPS's power cable, so I had to
>>> remove the old cable that was stuck in behind other stuff.
>>> This cable had been getting power from an aftermarket cigarette
>>> lighter than I had installed under the dash center in front of the
>>> heater vent. I went to install the new power cable but found that it
>>> was shorter than the old one. This required that I move the power
>>> socket closer to the left side of the underdash mounting. I had no
>>> problem moving it, but I had to remove the two wires from it to take
>>> the shell out of the mount to get to the 2 screws holding it to the
>>> dash.
>>>
>>> I don't know what happened, but after I started the car, The GPS did
>>> work from its newly moved power socket, but....
>>> 1. The Scanguage II did not show anything but a blank screen.
>>> 2. The Radio did not work and could not be turned on. The XM radio
>>> module worked and had a signal from the satellite, but no sound.
>>> 3. The driving lights did not come on from the switch.
>>> I checked all the fuses in the fuse box and all were OK. I even
>>> removed the 3 taps to see if the radio would come back on. It didn't.
>>> The worse thing was that the OBD socket was apparently not getting
>>> power. I plugged a regular OBD II reader into the socket and it too
>>> had a blank screen, and just beeped.
>>> 4. Lastly, the engine was idling at about 500 RPM according to the
>>> dash tach. It should be about 800 RPM.
>>> I took it for a ride and, it could be my imagination, but the engine
>>> seemed to be missing a little. It wasn't a dead cylinder type of
>>> miss. I couldn't hear it, and the engine wasn't shuddering, but I
>>> felt it a little. It was more like the fuel injectors were not
>>> delivering the right amount of fuel into the cylinders.
>>> Anyway, that's my story so far. If anyone can shed some light on
>>> this, I would appreciate it.
>>> --
>>>
>>> Bill
>>> In Hamptonburgh, NY
>>> In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
>>> To email, remove the double zeroes after @
>>
>
>Thanks, Nisstech.
>A couple of other things I forgot to mention.
>5. The parking brake indicator on the dash is constantly lit, although
>the brake is completely retracted.
>6. The battery icon on the dash is dimly lit at all times when the key
>is in the ON position..
Usually points to blown main (75A?) breaker. It's a 1/2" square block
with clear lid in the engine bay fuse box. 75A ones are grey. Lower
amp ones for lights are green and brown.
Every Nissan has one so breakers yards are full of them.
>I suspect that the dimly lit battery icon might be the best clue to what
>is wrong, but I don't know what it means.
>Maybe when I moved the power socket and pulled its wires out from under
>the dash to lengthen them, I might have scraped the insulation off one
>which is causing a dead short. I will check that later when it gets
>warmer out.
>I will report if I find anything
--
Peter Hill
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== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 1:10 pm
From: willshak
Peter Hill wrote the following:
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 07:51:19 -0400, willshak <willshak@00hvc.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>> NissTech wrote the following:
>>
>>> The first thing I would do is to use a DVOM and check for power on
>>> both sides of the fuse , if the add on components have an inline fuse
>>> check that also.
>>>
>>> Next check for power at the component .
>>>
>>> Last but not least make sure you have a good ground.
>>>
>>>
>>> "willshak" <willshak@00hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> news:X6WdnfNcOeER9T_WnZ2dnUVZ_tcAAAAA@supernews.com...
>>>
>>>> I have a 1997 Nissan XE 4x4 PU 2.4l,4 cylinder, 5 speed stick. It
>>>> has about 68,000 miles on the odometer. I have had it since brand new.
>>>> Over the years I have added some electrical stuff that required
>>>> tapping into the fuse box.
>>>> A. Driving lights.
>>>> B. Keyless entry with remote.
>>>> C. Extra cigarette lighter sockets for XM radio and GPS.
>>>> D. Scangauge II that plugs into the OBD port to give up to the second
>>>> vehicle operations, MPH, RPM, MPG, TPS, water temp, alternator
>>>> voltage, and other stuff.
>>>> All have been working fine until yesterday. I bought a new Garmin
>>>> NUVI GPS to replace the old one I had installed.
>>>> The new GPS could not use the old GPS's power cable, so I had to
>>>> remove the old cable that was stuck in behind other stuff.
>>>> This cable had been getting power from an aftermarket cigarette
>>>> lighter than I had installed under the dash center in front of the
>>>> heater vent. I went to install the new power cable but found that it
>>>> was shorter than the old one. This required that I move the power
>>>> socket closer to the left side of the underdash mounting. I had no
>>>> problem moving it, but I had to remove the two wires from it to take
>>>> the shell out of the mount to get to the 2 screws holding it to the
>>>> dash.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know what happened, but after I started the car, The GPS did
>>>> work from its newly moved power socket, but....
>>>> 1. The Scanguage II did not show anything but a blank screen.
>>>> 2. The Radio did not work and could not be turned on. The XM radio
>>>> module worked and had a signal from the satellite, but no sound.
>>>> 3. The driving lights did not come on from the switch.
>>>> I checked all the fuses in the fuse box and all were OK. I even
>>>> removed the 3 taps to see if the radio would come back on. It didn't.
>>>> The worse thing was that the OBD socket was apparently not getting
>>>> power. I plugged a regular OBD II reader into the socket and it too
>>>> had a blank screen, and just beeped.
>>>> 4. Lastly, the engine was idling at about 500 RPM according to the
>>>> dash tach. It should be about 800 RPM.
>>>> I took it for a ride and, it could be my imagination, but the engine
>>>> seemed to be missing a little. It wasn't a dead cylinder type of
>>>> miss. I couldn't hear it, and the engine wasn't shuddering, but I
>>>> felt it a little. It was more like the fuel injectors were not
>>>> delivering the right amount of fuel into the cylinders.
>>>> Anyway, that's my story so far. If anyone can shed some light on
>>>> this, I would appreciate it.
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>> In Hamptonburgh, NY
>>>> In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
>>>> To email, remove the double zeroes after @
>>>>
>> Thanks, Nisstech.
>> A couple of other things I forgot to mention.
>> 5. The parking brake indicator on the dash is constantly lit, although
>> the brake is completely retracted.
>> 6. The battery icon on the dash is dimly lit at all times when the key
>> is in the ON position..
>>
>
> Usually points to blown main (75A?) breaker. It's a 1/2" square block
> with clear lid in the engine bay fuse box. 75A ones are grey. Lower
> amp ones for lights are green and brown.
>
> Every Nissan has one so breakers yards are full of them.
>
Mine doesn't. At least I can't find one. I know what you mean and I have
seen them in other cars, but not this one. The only thing resembling a
breaker box is on the passenger side fender wall, but it states it
contains 5 relays, consisting of;:
Fuel Pump Relay,
EGI Relay,
A/C Relay,
Clutch Inhibit Relay, and
Horn Relay.
The first 4 are blue and they all have the same model numbers, The Horn
relay is black.
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