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TOPIC: Toyota says no evidence 'runaway' Prius happened
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== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 18 2010 6:03 pm
From: dr_jeff
Nasty wrote:
> Tegger wrote:
>> Nasty <nasty@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in
>> news:4ba25dd9$0$4868$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com:
>>> Tegger wrote:
>>
>>>> It's obvious to me that the Prius would be perceived as an
>>>> "automatic" to its drivers. It therefore follows that drivers would
>>>> expect the Prius to behave like a traditional automatic-transmission
>>>> ICE car, and that Toyota would design the Prius to behave as such.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Interesting point. Even though the gear selector is marked like a
>>> traditional automatic, "P", "N", "D", etc., and there is no clutch
>>> pedal, it really does kind of act somewhat like a manual since there
>>> is no automatic shifting from 1st, to 2nd, etc. Sorta harkens back to
>>> the VW "automatic/manual" tranny.
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you need to shift into 2nd manually, or is it more like a CVT?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> CVT.
Actually, it is a type of CVT.
== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 5:59 am
From: pws
Nasty wrote:
> C. E. White wrote:
>> "Nasty" <nasty@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:4ba25dd9$0$4868$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com...
>>
>>> It's really an ingenious piece of engineering. Too bad it's in such a
>>> crappy little box.
>>
>> Comapred to what? I don't own one, but I have been in them. It's no
>> BMW, but for the price it is an incredible deal. I find it as
>> comfortable as a Camry (not that Camry's are world class in comfort).
>> The only significant negatives I am aware of are the narrow width and
>> the horrible view out the rear. It is not really my cup of tea, but I
>> don't think I'd call it a "crappy little box."
>>
>> Ed
>>
>
> I do own one, as I've previously stated. Bought it new in '07. The more
> you ride in one the more you see and feel. I think it has a bad ride,
> uncomfortable seats, weird and rubbery steering, it wallows around turns
> and there's a lot of wind noise at highway speed. It feels cheap and
> boxy to me. It's a technological marvel but it is, IMHO, far inferior to
> a Camry.
"it has a bad ride, uncomfortable seats, weird and rubbery steering, it
wallows around turns and there's a lot of wind noise at highway speed."
That sounds a lot like my '94 Accord.
Actually, the main problem my Accord has is that the power goes to the
wrong wheels...............I never have been a big fan of FWD, but the
car was free and it is very reliable. I should finally hit 80,000 miles
today.
== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 8:38 am
From: Nasty
pws wrote:
> Nasty wrote:
>> C. E. White wrote:
>>> "Nasty" <nasty@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4ba25dd9$0$4868$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com...
>>>
>>>> It's really an ingenious piece of engineering. Too bad it's in such
>>>> a crappy little box.
>>>
>>> Comapred to what? I don't own one, but I have been in them. It's no
>>> BMW, but for the price it is an incredible deal. I find it as
>>> comfortable as a Camry (not that Camry's are world class in comfort).
>>> The only significant negatives I am aware of are the narrow width and
>>> the horrible view out the rear. It is not really my cup of tea, but I
>>> don't think I'd call it a "crappy little box."
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>
>> I do own one, as I've previously stated. Bought it new in '07. The
>> more you ride in one the more you see and feel. I think it has a bad
>> ride, uncomfortable seats, weird and rubbery steering, it wallows
>> around turns and there's a lot of wind noise at highway speed. It
>> feels cheap and boxy to me. It's a technological marvel but it is,
>> IMHO, far inferior to a Camry.
>
> "it has a bad ride, uncomfortable seats, weird and rubbery steering, it
> wallows around turns and there's a lot of wind noise at highway speed."
>
> That sounds a lot like my '94 Accord.
>
> Actually, the main problem my Accord has is that the power goes to the
> wrong wheels...............I never have been a big fan of FWD, but the
> car was free and it is very reliable. I should finally hit 80,000 miles
> today.
Really? We have a 2000 Accord and love it. Superb handling but I agree
that it's not a great long haul car. Sneaking up on 150K. By some
standards in here that's nearly a new car!
== 4 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 8:54 am
From: "rick++"
I believe everything Toyota tells me
because they are so prompt, forthcoming and honest.
== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 9:48 am
From: pws
Nasty wrote:
> pws wrote:
>> Nasty wrote:
>>> C. E. White wrote:
>>>> "Nasty" <nasty@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4ba25dd9$0$4868$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com...
>>>>
>>>>> It's really an ingenious piece of engineering. Too bad it's in such
>>>>> a crappy little box.
>>>>
>>>> Comapred to what? I don't own one, but I have been in them. It's no
>>>> BMW, but for the price it is an incredible deal. I find it as
>>>> comfortable as a Camry (not that Camry's are world class in
>>>> comfort). The only significant negatives I am aware of are the
>>>> narrow width and the horrible view out the rear. It is not really my
>>>> cup of tea, but I don't think I'd call it a "crappy little box."
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>
>>> I do own one, as I've previously stated. Bought it new in '07. The
>>> more you ride in one the more you see and feel. I think it has a bad
>>> ride, uncomfortable seats, weird and rubbery steering, it wallows
>>> around turns and there's a lot of wind noise at highway speed. It
>>> feels cheap and boxy to me. It's a technological marvel but it is,
>>> IMHO, far inferior to a Camry.
>>
>> "it has a bad ride, uncomfortable seats, weird and rubbery steering,
>> it wallows around turns and there's a lot of wind noise at highway
>> speed."
>>
>> That sounds a lot like my '94 Accord.
>>
>> Actually, the main problem my Accord has is that the power goes to the
>> wrong wheels...............I never have been a big fan of FWD, but the
>> car was free and it is very reliable. I should finally hit 80,000
>> miles today.
>
> Really? We have a 2000 Accord and love it. Superb handling but I agree
> that it's not a great long haul car. Sneaking up on 150K. By some
> standards in here that's nearly a new car!
This '94 Accord LX is actually pretty nice for what it is. Very good gas
mileage.
It has pretty high wind noise, but this is also a very lightweight car
compared to many other 4 door sedans, and I like that.
The seats could be a lot better. This car is cheap to insure, however,
and it doesn't attract the attention of the various ticket-writers, so
there are definitely some advantages.
The reliability is what I like about it the most, and at the low miles
it has, it will hopefully remain reliable for some time to come.
== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 1:08 pm
From: Jim Yanik
Nasty <nasty@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in
news:4ba39a70$0$23502$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com:
> pws wrote:
>> Nasty wrote:
>>> C. E. White wrote:
>>>> "Nasty" <nasty@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4ba25dd9$0$4868$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com...
>>>>
>>>>> It's really an ingenious piece of engineering. Too bad it's in such
>>>>> a crappy little box.
>>>>
>>>> Comapred to what? I don't own one, but I have been in them. It's no
>>>> BMW, but for the price it is an incredible deal. I find it as
>>>> comfortable as a Camry (not that Camry's are world class in comfort).
>>>> The only significant negatives I am aware of are the narrow width and
>>>> the horrible view out the rear. It is not really my cup of tea, but I
>>>> don't think I'd call it a "crappy little box."
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>
>>> I do own one, as I've previously stated. Bought it new in '07. The
>>> more you ride in one the more you see and feel. I think it has a bad
>>> ride, uncomfortable seats, weird and rubbery steering, it wallows
>>> around turns and there's a lot of wind noise at highway speed. It
>>> feels cheap and boxy to me. It's a technological marvel but it is,
>>> IMHO, far inferior to a Camry.
>>
>> "it has a bad ride, uncomfortable seats, weird and rubbery steering, it
>> wallows around turns and there's a lot of wind noise at highway speed."
>>
>> That sounds a lot like my '94 Accord.
>>
>> Actually, the main problem my Accord has is that the power goes to the
>> wrong wheels...............
more accurately,YOU bought the wrong car for YOU.
Having the front-mounted motor drive the front wheels makes better use of
interior space,gives better traction(and steerable!) under winter
driving,and is more efficient.It eliminates a driveshaft and associated U-
joints and weighs less than a comparable RWD setup.
> I never have been a big fan of FWD, but the
>> car was free and it is very reliable. I should finally hit 80,000 miles
>> today.
>
> Really? We have a 2000 Accord and love it. Superb handling but I agree
> that it's not a great long haul car. Sneaking up on 150K. By some
> standards in here that's nearly a new car!
>
In my 86 Prelude SI(THAT is "superb handling"),I drove for 12hrs
straight,only stopping for gas,and felt like I could go another 5-6 hrs at
the end of my trip.
Orlando,FL - Hopkinsville,KY. Piece of cake.
My 94 Integra GS-R would have been the same.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com
== 7 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 4:43 pm
From: Tegger
Nasty <nasty@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in news:4ba39a70$0$23502
$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com:
>
> We have a 2000 Accord and love it. Superb handling but I agree
> that it's not a great long haul car. Sneaking up on 150K. By some
> standards in here that's nearly a new car!
My '91 'Teg is sneaking up on 340,000. It's at about 339,500.
I honestly never dared to think that it might go this far. And judging from
its current behavior, oil usage, and emissions numbers, I'm thinking it
might, possibly, actually hit 400,000.
--
Tegger
== 8 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 5:49 pm
From: dr_jeff
Tegger wrote:
> Nasty <nasty@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in news:4ba39a70$0$23502
> $9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com:
>
>
>> We have a 2000 Accord and love it. Superb handling but I agree
>> that it's not a great long haul car. Sneaking up on 150K. By some
>> standards in here that's nearly a new car!
>
>
>
> My '91 'Teg is sneaking up on 340,000. It's at about 339,500.
>
> I honestly never dared to think that it might go this far. And judging from
> its current behavior, oil usage, and emissions numbers, I'm thinking it
> might, possibly, actually hit 400,000.
If the motor gives out, you can always have it towed the last few miles.
== 9 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 5:54 pm
From: Tegger
dr_jeff <utz@msu.edu> wrote in
news:E4WdnbvaC9wChjnWnZ2dnUVZ_ogAAAAA@giganews.com:
> Tegger wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> My '91 'Teg is sneaking up on 340,000. It's at about 339,500.
>>
>> I honestly never dared to think that it might go this far. And
>> judging from its current behavior, oil usage, and emissions numbers,
>> I'm thinking it might, possibly, actually hit 400,000.
>
>
> If the motor gives out, you can always have it towed the last few
> miles.
>
Thanks for the invaluable tip.
--
Tegger
== 10 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 6:44 pm
From: dr_jeff
Tegger wrote:
> dr_jeff <utz@msu.edu> wrote in
> news:E4WdnbvaC9wChjnWnZ2dnUVZ_ogAAAAA@giganews.com:
>
>> Tegger wrote:
>
>>>
>>>
>>> My '91 'Teg is sneaking up on 340,000. It's at about 339,500.
>>>
>>> I honestly never dared to think that it might go this far. And
>>> judging from its current behavior, oil usage, and emissions numbers,
>>> I'm thinking it might, possibly, actually hit 400,000.
>>
>> If the motor gives out, you can always have it towed the last few
>> miles.
>>
>
>
>
> Thanks for the invaluable tip.
Glad I can help.
Jeff
== 11 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 9:25 pm
From: Nasty
Tegger wrote:
> Nasty <nasty@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in news:4ba39a70$0$23502
> $9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com:
>
>
>> We have a 2000 Accord and love it. Superb handling but I agree
>> that it's not a great long haul car. Sneaking up on 150K. By some
>> standards in here that's nearly a new car!
>
>
>
> My '91 'Teg is sneaking up on 340,000. It's at about 339,500.
>
> I honestly never dared to think that it might go this far. And judging from
> its current behavior, oil usage, and emissions numbers, I'm thinking it
> might, possibly, actually hit 400,000.
>
>
'Teg??
== 12 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 9:52 pm
From: "Daniel who wants to know"
"dr_jeff" <utz@msu.edu> wrote in message news:4BA2CD35.8070608@msu.edu...
>
> My dad's Ford Five Hundred has a CVT. The controls are marked like those
> of an automatic, with P, R, N, D and either low or 1.
>
> Jeff
Just don't confuse the two systems like many seem to do. Your dad's Five
Hundred and my friend's Freestyle have a cone and belt CVT which varies the
effective size of the driving and driven pulleys to change ratios, it still
requires a torque converter, reverse gear of some sort, and a high pressure
hydraulic pump to apply tension to the stainless steel belt.
The PSD in a Toyota hybrid mimics a CVT by varying the speed difference
between the 2 motor/generators to change ratios. It has no torque converter
or reverse gear and just has a small fluid pump to keep the bearings lubed.
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