Back in the 'championship' years, I have some videos of Sr earning that intimidator moniker in various ways. You were right in your comment about not seeing him getting people back per say. However, he would, but his trademark was to intimidate you with HIS car control. In the Peak Performance 400 in 1989, Brett Bodine was a lap down car, and he kept impeding Earnhardt on the track. He was, in effect, a Bodine. Geoff and Sr were hard rivals around this time, and well, to continue, Brett was running the groove that Sr was running. Rick Wilson and Darrell Waltrip wrecked, bringing out the caution. Dale got out of the pits first, and there were only three cars on the lead lap at this point. Earnhardt, Martin, and Shrader. Brett Bodine was lined up as the first car a lap down right next to Sr on the restart. Coming around to take the green flag out of four, Sr 'dipped' down on Brett, causing Brett to lift, jerk his car hard left, and then the flag was shown,
and the three top runners took off. Sr timed that perfectly. It was like a, "here, take that with ya" sort of move. Then Sr and Mark Martin put on a racing clinic that is still some of the best racing that no one has ever seen. It was on ESPN, and it was weird seeing Dover, with only front and back 'grandstands'
his bumper, and Burton missed his pit altogether, and of course, pitted in someone else's box.
He would kill your focus and mental fortitude with prowess, control, and that 'bump' that Jeff Gordon talked about. He said, "If you weren't careful, and you bumped him, you could expect at least two bumps in return." Darrell Waltrip said, "that was the thing with Dale. You never knew if he had one bullet left in the gun. You did know that if he did, he'd use it. I seen so many drivers lose their focus and even move up the track when they saw that black hood in the mirror, especially if they had 'incurred' a debt with him."
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From: John Miller <n1umj@verizon.
To: NASCAR-Group@
Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 7:45:17 AM
Subject: Re: [NASCAR-Group] Keslowski/Edwards Saga?
fact is, Kes and Carl are front runners in the NW series something not many can say and when you race against the same couple people every week, and you're both hard chargers, stuff happens. Kes is still learning, Hamlin didn't make any friends his rookie season either but eventually improved somewhat. The hard chargers have their problems. That Dale Sr. comment, I honestly don't remember him getting many people back per say. He might race them a little harder the next time he raced them, but I don't recall him, in his mid to later years, actually looking for anyone to pay them back specifically.
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From: polt8115
To: NASCAR-Group@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 12:50 AM
Subject: [NASCAR-Group] Keslowski/Edwards Saga?
Okay. So the talking heads and the sensationalized media is looking at
this Edwards/Keslowski thing as something that has been going on since
Talladega last spring. Wha? The very ones saying this are the ones that
also said with regards to the Talladega thing: "That was no one's fault.
Keslowski held his position, and stayed above the yellow line." Even
Edwards then said that he'd have done the same thing, and didn't blame
Kes one bit.
Then came yesterday.
When I looked at the situation closer, I began to realize something.
Carl Edwards' return to the track would have gained him no positions,
with him being over 150 laps down. Once he pulled on that track, Nascar
HAD to know what was going on. I have watched this lap 30 video a bunch,
and sadly, Carl did "swoop" on down on Keslowski. I realize that Kes,
like Kyle Busch and Denny Hamlin, have a rep for the chrome horn, and
putting other drivers in the spin cycle. I am not giving him sainthood
here on the racing thing. However, I watched "Green, White, Checker" on
Nascar.com. Those two guys talked about the Edwards/Keslowski deal from
yesterday like these two have this acrimonious history with each other,
when in reality, sans the Talladega thing, they've raced rather well
together. Carl Edwards mantra in his interview with Dick Berggeren was
about "respect" and the safety of other drivers. How in the buttery
side of hell can he utter those words, when he himself has done some
things WITHOUT regard to the safety of those he's retaliated against?
Nascar said during speedweeks this year that 'the gloves are off. The
drivers can settle these things on their own". Okay, I agree to a large
extent on this. Self policing is by far the most effective tool of
earning and learning respect amongst the drivers. Save it for Bristol,
Martinsville, Richmond, or something of the like. Not at a 195mph track.
It's a damned shame that when Nascar finally does listen to the fans,
and gives them some taste from the days when they raced, it takes one
dumbass to force Nascar into having to make it clear to certain turd
heads that there is a time and a place for this. Look at 2005, Dover,
Fall race. Rusty Wallace spun Ricky Rudd with about 20 laps to go, and
Rudd was dominating that race. Now, why did ol Rustmeister do this?
Because of Richmond prior to that, where Rudd drove into the side of
Rusty's car, and dumped him into the wall, and out of the race. Rusty
was on his way to a top five finish.
I know that Keslowski has made some fast enemies, and yes, I'm looking
at you, Denny Hamlin/Kyle Busch fans. He's done nothing more than they
themselves have done. Hell, Kyle even hit a parked Casey Mears under a
red flag at Phoenix in 2006, because in his mind, Mears wrecked him..
purposely or no, according to Kyle, he deserved what he(Mears) got. The
douchebaggery continued at Charlotte that same year. Same driver. Blows
a tire coming out of turn four, Mears again here, going into the
trioval, wrecks, takes Kyle Busch out of the race. What does master Kyle
do? Walks to the racing surface himself, because in his mind, according
to his post accident comments, " A better driver would have been able to
save it"... bullshit.No driver doing 190mph coming out of turn four at
Charlotte will save a car from spinning with a blown tire.. NO ONE. So,
although he blew a tire, Mears was able to continue, and Kyle, well he
walks out on the racing surface to throw his HANS device at Mears. Why?
Because he's a manly man.
So, when you judge Keslowski, be sure and look at the history of other
drivers involved. After all, in 2000, Jeremey Mayfield punted Dale Sr
coming out of the final turn at Pocono, something that Sr had done many
times himself during his career. Mayfield said in his post race
interview, "It was a good race, and a good win. I don't know if the
price I'll pay will be worth it though". Sr never retaliated on track,
other than to give Jerm the finger on the cool down lap. Sr admitted in
his post race that 'sometimes you give it, sometimes you get it. That's
racin....' Edwards does drive with the mentality of "I'm bigger than he
is, and a veteran of Cup racing now, so I deserve more respect."
Bullshit again. Keslowski's sponsors pay the same good money that the
remaining 42 cars also get. Now why should he be any less because he's
around veterans. Hell, he's raced these guys regularly on the Nationwide
circuit for the last three years, so it's not like he's racing them for
the first time! So this stupidity of talking about Brad like they've
never raced against him before is just ego protecting pride.
I'm done. The asininity is astounding on this one. Good job once again
Goodyear. Take the Hendrick and Joe Gibbs teams to Atlanta for
aggressive tire testing, have them put aggressive set ups in the cars,
then bring a tire that had NOTHING to do with the data collected from
these tests. Of course, there were a few kiss asses that loved the tire,
but there was far more that took great umbrage with the way that
Goodyear continues to collect this data, and then evidently, does
nothing more than convert it into toilet paper. Bring Michelin, Hoosier,
Bridgestone/ Firestone into this thing, let them do some tire testing for
these cars as well, and you watch.. Goodyear will crap a tire out that
will be perfect for the drivers to race on. They are under pressure,
according to Pemberton, to create a tire that can perform. He also said
that they brought a good tire this time. He also said that Goodyear
accepts the blame when it is their fault. Bull! That crap at Indy in
2008, anyone remember the 400 mile race, broken down in to ten to twelve
lap increments because they brought a tire that appeared to be made out
of pencil erasers? Goodyear blamed the track, and the 'diamonding" that
Tony George does to that thing every year to give the cars more grip,
and has done that in the ten years or so that Nascar had been running
there. This problem did not happen until the COT and it's design based
on an uneven plane, for which Goodyear can't seem to get it right, were
introduced. Hell, Michelin produces tires that the F1 guys use, and they
are carbon composite tires! They could really stand ol Goodyear on it's
head.
I'm out. I love you guys...
moi
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