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* 50 ugliest cars of the past 50 years - 8 messages, 7 authors
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* ~~~ FIRE ANT~~~ click here - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: 50 ugliest cars of the past 50 years
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos/t/1c4363c82260c4ba?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, May 6 2010 7:51 pm
From: "Ed Pawlowski"

"Garrett Fulton" <lbfulton@windstream.net> wrote
>
> Don't even have to look at the list. Just my .02, but nothing, nowhere
> could have been uglier than the VW Karmann Ghia, and the '59 Chevy. I'm a
> GM man, but my God, the '59 was a foul looking car.

I had a couple of the Ghias. Aside from the poorly protected front getting
bopped a few times, it was a great little car and fun to bang around in
with the top down. I paid $15 for my fist one and took a week to get it
roadworthy.

My father had a '59 Chevy and it was popular and accepted style in its day,
but my favorite Chevy is the '58 Impala. Much classier, IMO.

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, May 7 2010 1:48 pm
From: Picasso


On May 6, 10:49 am, "TicTac" <j.ticta...@live.com> wrote:
> Bloomberg Businessweek
>
> Considering how many new cars are rolled out every year, it's no surprise
> that a few might be just plain homely. There's a chance that certain styles
> might become fashionable with a dash of retro hip. (Well, maybe not from the
> 1970s.) But for the most part, the following 50 cars will never be anything
> but design duds...
>
> Continued:http://sn.im/50UglyCars


Couple i'm disappointed to see are:

El Camino, Delorean, BMW 7

Happy to see:

PT Cruiser, X90 or whatever they called that stupid looking thing,
astek, honda element


== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, May 7 2010 5:17 pm
From: Vic Smith


On Fri, 7 May 2010 13:48:29 -0700 (PDT), Picasso
<picasso.ng@gmail.com> wrote:

>On May 6, 10:49 am, "TicTac" <j.ticta...@live.com> wrote:
>> Bloomberg Businessweek
>>
>> Considering how many new cars are rolled out every year, it's no surprise
>> that a few might be just plain homely. There's a chance that certain styles
>> might become fashionable with a dash of retro hip. (Well, maybe not from the
>> 1970s.) But for the most part, the following 50 cars will never be anything
>> but design duds...
>>
>> Continued:http://sn.im/50UglyCars
>
>
>Couple i'm disappointed to see are:
>
>El Camino, Delorean, BMW 7
>
>Happy to see:
>
>PT Cruiser, X90 or whatever they called that stupid looking thing,
>astek, honda element

That was a pretty good list, but everybody has different tastes.
El Caminos looked just fine to me. Never wanted one, but they didn't
hurt your eyes.
Same with Gremlins and Pacers, which I thought looked better than the
Mavericks, but I had actually ridden in a Maverick and thought it was
junk, so that was a prejudicial influence.
The new bug looks pretty much the same as the old bug.
You spend most of your time with a car inside it, not looking at it
from the outside.
I've had a couple cars where I didn't like their looks much until they
gave me some amount of trouble-free transportation.
Then they got real easy to look at. In fact, downright pretty.
On the flip side, Chrysler came out with some sedans whose styling I
found attractive about 10 years ago. Can't remember the models, but
when a workmate and others started complaining about the issues they
had with hers, they started looking ugly to me.
And I hardly ever see old ones anymore which says something.
You might say beauty is sometimes only skin deep.
But no sense starting out ugly if you have a choice.
I never thought the Aztec was ugly, just funny looking, like a
transformer toy.
There was one parked on our route home from work, and
every time we saw it, the wife and I would chuckle.
Every time.
For some reason, she hates seeing a mini-Cooper.
Looks ok to me.
The Honda Element gets my vote for the most god-awful car I ever saw
in person. That's one ugly car, right off the showroom floor.
The PT Cruiser looks like a hearse to me, but I've never been in one.
There's only one car I ever considered buying because I just liked the
looks of it. '94-96 Impala SS.
But they held their value too well, and I'm too cheap to pay a lot for
a used car that the rust will get to in the end.

--Vic




== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, May 7 2010 6:29 pm
From: "Jim Warman"


FWIW (and I haven't read the article) this is a case of someone telling you
what you should think. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder".

So many vehicles were hard to look at when new - yet familiarity brought a
new appreciation for the designers efforts... Flip side of the coin.... I
recall so many "WOW" cars that, after the passage of several years, have
become dated... outdated... or just plain unattractive to my jaundiced old
eye....

Some day, I may take the investment in time to read the article and view any
pics.... or not.

I LOVE pickled jalapeno peppers... a sandwich made of cold cuts with
(depending on the donor animal) horseradish or hot mustard can only be made
more complete with the addition of a ramiken of these little delights.
Others may find these little gems a tad offensive.

Indulge me... WTF is "retro hip"?


"TicTac" <j.tictac.9@live.com> wrote in message
news:hruhcp$p29$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Bloomberg Businessweek
>
> Considering how many new cars are rolled out every year, it's no surprise
> that a few might be just plain homely. There's a chance that certain
> styles might become fashionable with a dash of retro hip. (Well, maybe not
> from the 1970s.) But for the most part, the following 50 cars will never
> be anything but design duds...
>
> Continued: http://sn.im/50UglyCars


== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, May 7 2010 11:09 pm
From: Raymond Sirois


On Fri, 7 May 2010 13:48:29 -0700 (PDT), Picasso
<picasso.ng@gmail.com>, in an obviously impaired state, wrote:

>On May 6, 10:49 am, "TicTac" <j.ticta...@live.com> wrote:
>> Bloomberg Businessweek

>
>
>Couple i'm disappointed to see are:
>
>El Camino, Delorean, BMW 7

Yeah, I thought the El Camino was a pretty odd choice.. And if that,
then why not the Ford Ranchero, considering they went with the Brat
and one other wagon/truck hybrid. And personally, I think the Citroen
DS deserves a spot on that list.

--
Ray Sirois
SysOp: The Lost Chord BBS
http://thelostchord.dns2go.com:6080
telnet://thelostchord.dns2go.com:6023


== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, May 9 2010 2:47 pm
From: "ah"

"Picasso" <picasso.ng@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:136b0305-ccde-41aa-ba95-5af4fb484089@o8g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
On May 6, 10:49 am, "TicTac" <j.ticta...@live.com> wrote:
> Bloomberg Businessweek
>
> Considering how many new cars are rolled out every year, it's no surprise
> that a few might be just plain homely. There's a chance that certain
> styles
> might become fashionable with a dash of retro hip. (Well, maybe not from
> the
> 1970s.) But for the most part, the following 50 cars will never be
> anything
> but design duds...
>
> Continued:http://sn.im/50UglyCars


Couple i'm disappointed to see are:

El Camino, Delorean, BMW 7

Happy to see:

PT Cruiser, X90 or whatever they called that stupid looking thing,
astek, honda element

Pontiac Aztek!! Ugliest ever!

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, May 10 2010 8:11 am
From: "uncle K"

"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote in message

>......................... Heck I can think of at least 100 cars ugler than
>half the cars that were included on the list.

I have to agree there, even as some of them are pretty bad. IMO, most late
model Nissans are awful, and Pontiacs remind me of a guard rail. I drove a
Pacer (rental). While it was an odd looking bubble, the low windows made it
easy to see what was around you and it was fun to drive... as long as you
didn't have to own it. Also drove a PT Cruiser (another rental). What a
piece of junk. Falling apart, with less than 10K on it. That, the Plymouth
Prowler, and several of the retro-look cars must have been built for baby
boomers with a serious mid-life crisis. Butt ugly.

I once thought the '60 Valiant was the ugliest car ever built. That said, I
now own its better looking sister, a '62 Lancer, 2-door sedan. The older it
gets, the cuter it gets. There was a photo going around, a few years ago,
of a sea lion trying to mate with a dark gray Prius... is it any wonder?

;-{

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, May 10 2010 2:29 pm
From: "Ed Pawlowski"

"uncle K" <nospam@all.com> wrote
> I once thought the '60 Valiant was the ugliest car ever built. That said,
> I now own its better looking sister, a '62 Lancer, 2-door sedan. The
> older it gets, the cuter it gets.

Funny, but a lot of cars I thought were ugly would be fun to drive today,
probably because they are so ugly . That includes most of the 1950's
Chrysler cars, Edsel, etc.


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