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TOPIC: Do I really need new brakes?
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 8:39 pm
From: "E. Meyer"
On 5/20/10 4:50 PM, in article Xns9D7EB5885B247tegger@208.90.168.18,
"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote:
> "E. Meyer" <epmeyer50@msn.com> wrote in
> news:C81AA35E.1B6B4%epmeyer50@msn.com:
>
>> On 5/19/10 10:16 PM, in article Xns9D7DECBF63FDtegger@208.90.168.18,
>> "Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote:
>>
>
>>>
>>> Why don't you just wait until you hear/feel a loud grinding noise
>>> coming from the wheels? That way you'll know for 100% certain that
>>> the brakes need doing.
>>>
>>
>> There seems to be an unusual edge to your comments here.
>
>
>
> It was a figurative roll of the eyes at the OP's suspicion that he was
> getting ripped-off just because he's managed to go a bit further on worn
> brakes, without problems.
>
>
>
>> I'm sure he
>> would hear the wear indicators before any loud grinding noises & if
>> you get it done immediately when the wear indicators start to squeal,
>> there is no damage to the rotors.
>
>
>
> The wear indictator is only on the INNER pad. If that pad sticks (common
> on Hondas), the OUTER pad will be down to the steel first. And there
> goes your rotor.
>
> OP says his dealer reported 2mm left on the pads. That's pad-change
> time. Sure you'll get a little bit more mileage out of the pads, but you
> run a serious rusk of damage to those $90 rotors, especially at the
> leading edges of the pads, which wear thinnest.
>
>
>
>>
>> I don't subscribe to the machining of rotors at every pad change.
>
>
>
> But, as I explained, /Honda/ does. Honda specifically instructs its
> dealers to skim the rotors (on-car) at every pad-change. The reason for
> this is to avoid expensive comebacks.
>
> A home grease monkey isn't going to get angry at himself if his brakes
> vibrate soon after a pad change, but when an owner has spent a tidy sum
> getting a pro to do the work. you can be certain he's going to show up
> at the service desk, and angry.
>
>
>
>> I've never had a rotor machined since the first disk brakes on the '77
>> Chevy and never suffered any consequences because of it (other than
>> rotors that lasted the life of the cars and more money staying in my
>> pocket).
>>
>
>
> Honda brakes are notoriously poorly-designed, IMHO. They need more
> attention than most.
>
I've never had any problems with un-machined Honda rotors compared with
other makes. This includes '81 Accord, '87 Civic, '95 Integra, '96 Odyssey,
'00 TL, '06 CRV and '08 Odyssey. OK. Honda recommends it, but my experience
says they don't vibrate when you change the pads, the wear is acceptable (at
least 90k miles between pad changes), and I have not experienced a rotor
destroyed because of a stuck caliper eating off the outer pad. I have
experienced a stuck caliper and the wear indicator signaled the wear prior
to any damage.
I do agree that 2mm is time to replace the pads. That's pretty thin.
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, May 21 2010 8:04 pm
From: john
Turning the rotor only takes away metal and makes the rotor more
likely to warp. If everything is within specification and there are no
excessive scoring (catching finger nails), then there is no need.
However, 2mm left the pads need to be changed. Now. The only problem
is to make sure the tech measured it accurately. I can tell you that's
not always the case. Some would tell you there is less pad material
left than it really has.
On May 20, 8:39 pm, "E. Meyer" <epmeye...@msn.com> wrote:
> I've never had any problems with un-machined Honda rotors compared with
> other makes. This includes '81 Accord, '87 Civic, '95 Integra, '96 Odyssey,
> '00 TL, '06 CRV and '08 Odyssey. OK. Honda recommends it, but my experience
> says they don't vibrate when you change the pads, the wear is acceptable (at
> least 90k miles between pad changes), and I have not experienced a rotor
> destroyed because of a stuck caliper eating off the outer pad. I have
> experienced a stuck caliper and the wear indicator signaled the wear prior
> to any damage.
>
> I do agree that 2mm is time to replace the pads. That's pretty thin
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, May 21 2010 8:08 pm
From: john
Yes, pads/rotors are replaced each time together. Sometimes new torque-
to-yield bolts for some high end calipers. But the braking performance
is far superior, and I suppose on the Autobahn that's a must.
On May 20, 8:19 am, jim beam <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> really depends. the pads they use on german cars are really high silica
> content and very abrasive. they munch disks frighteningly fast. the
> up-side is that you never have any problems with corrosion or uneven
> braking. and you don't need to machine the disks either. the down-side
> is that you pretty much always have to replace disks and pads at the
> same time.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, May 21 2010 8:39 pm
From: jim beam
On 05/21/2010 08:08 PM, john wrote:
> Yes, pads/rotors are replaced each time together. Sometimes new torque-
> to-yield bolts for some high end calipers. But the braking performance
> is far superior, and I suppose on the Autobahn that's a must.
oh, it's an absolute must - it's illegal to drive a honda on an autobahn
because they don't have them.
>
>
>
> On May 20, 8:19�am, jim beam<m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> really depends. �the pads they use on german cars are really high silica
>> content and very abrasive. �they munch disks frighteningly fast. �the
>> up-side is that you never have any problems with corrosion or uneven
>> braking. �and you don't need to machine the disks either. �the down-side
>> is that you pretty much always have to replace disks and pads at the
>> same time.
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== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, May 21 2010 8:43 pm
From: jim beam
On 05/21/2010 08:04 PM, john wrote:
> Turning the rotor only takes away metal and makes the rotor more
> likely to warp. If everything is within specification and there are no
> excessive scoring (catching finger nails), then there is no need.
>
> However, 2mm left the pads need to be changed. Now. The only problem
> is to make sure the tech measured it accurately. I can tell you that's
> not always the case. Some would tell you there is less pad material
> left than it really has.
really??? you're not having a little laugh with us are you??? it
wouldn't be the time-honored means by which the nations dealership and
brake shop owners may their mcmansion mortgages and put their kids
through college would it???
>
>
>
> On May 20, 8:39�pm, "E. Meyer"<epmeye...@msn.com> wrote:
>> I've never had any problems with un-machined Honda rotors compared with
>> other makes. �This includes '81 Accord, '87 Civic, '95 Integra, '96 Odyssey,
>> '00 TL, '06 CRV and '08 Odyssey. �OK. Honda recommends it, but my experience
>> says they don't vibrate when you change the pads, the wear is acceptable (at
>> least 90k miles between pad changes), and I have not experienced a rotor
>> destroyed because of a stuck caliper eating off the outer pad. �I have
>> experienced a stuck caliper and the wear indicator signaled the wear prior
>> to any damage.
>>
>> I do agree that 2mm is time to replace the pads. �That's pretty thin. �
>
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