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* New Honda being delivered Wednesday - 6 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/t/a2fd4d4d862b1299?hl=en
* ping jim beam - 4 messages, 2 authors
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* Cold engine at 70Mph - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/t/a09593521bcb7a5d?hl=en
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TOPIC: New Honda being delivered Wednesday
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/t/a2fd4d4d862b1299?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 6:36 pm
From: Grumpy AuContraire
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>
> Remember, it's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow.
Ain't that the truth. I have more fun driving the hilly winding back
roads in my ancient Civic(s) without worrying about the cops behind the
bill boards on the main roads.
JT
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 5:47 am
From: Tegger
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in news:elmop-
DF07D7.16133811122010@news.eternal-september.org:
> In article <Xns9E4B8FFD53D2Ategger@208.90.168.18>,
> Tegger <invalid@example.com> wrote:
>
>> > I wondered about that too-forward headrest,
>>
>>
>>
>> It's a"safety" feature. It's supposed to help prevent neck injuries by
>> preventing the head from being able to move very far in a rear-end
>> collision.
>
> And yet, the rest of the car manufacturers don't do it to the extreme
> Honda does.
>
I've been in other cars with a similar inconvenience, I just can't remember
exactly which ones right now.
Some cars have "active" headrests, that snap forwards into that position on
impact. I guess Honda must be trying to save cash.
--
Tegger
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 5:53 am
From: Tegger
"Cameo" <cameo@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:idur7l$ld$1@news.eternal-
september.org:
> "clams" <clams@drunkinclam.com> wrote in message
> news:idubm9$8gr$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> With known problem it's best to trade it in and let the dealer take
>>> care of any future problems with it.
>>
>> That's assuming the dealer provides something for the trade vs.buying
>> outright, without a trade.
>>
>> More realistically, dealers typically take older cars off their
>> customer's hands in lieu of a discount.
>>
>> My son once attempted to trade a car where the dealer offered him an
>> extra $100 off the car without the trade.
>
> That's true. If a car is in good working order, I would always try to
> sell it myself and buy a new car without trading in the old one. There
> is no way to know what an angry buyer of my old car could do when he
> discovers I sold him a car with known hidden problem. So that's when I
> would rather trade it in.
>
My Canadian province (Ontario) is an exception to the general rule that
sellng the old car yourself saves you money.
Up here, selling the old car yourself is a very expensive, since the
government rigged tax calculations to favor dealer trade-ins against
private sales. That's why private sales have almost totally dried up, with
a few exceptions.
--
Tegger
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 6:58 am
From: "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
In article <Xns9E4C5A687EF23tegger@208.90.168.18>,
Tegger <invalid@example.com> wrote:
> Up here, selling the old car yourself is a very expensive, since the
> government rigged tax calculations to favor dealer trade-ins against
> private sales. That's why private sales have almost totally dried up, with
> a few exceptions.
Hmmmm. Well, down here the deal is that tax is collected against the
net transaction--that is, if the car you're buying is $20,000 and the
dealer shows a $10,000 trade in, sales tax is collected on the $10,000
difference.
Therefore, you need to sell your car for more than $10,700 (7% tax rate)
in order to make a private sale be better than a trade-in. It's a very
simple evaluation. Then there's the hassle factor of a private sale,
the value of which is unique to every individual. That'll add to what a
private sale price would be. But there's still a very wide gap between
a private sale price and what the dealer will ask for it once he's put
it on the lot, so private sales are still a good deal.
Is that kind of "rigged tax calculation" you're talking about?
It hasn't stopped or even slowed private transactions down here, not one
bit.
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 1:44 pm
From: Tegger
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in
news:elmop-BB8F3D.09583912122010@news.eternal-september.org:
> In article <Xns9E4C5A687EF23tegger@208.90.168.18>,
> Tegger <invalid@example.com> wrote:
>
>> Up here, selling the old car yourself is a very expensive, since the
>> government rigged tax calculations to favor dealer trade-ins against
>> private sales. That's why private sales have almost totally dried up,
>> with a few exceptions.
>
> Hmmmm. Well, down here the deal is that tax is collected against the
> net transaction--that is, if the car you're buying is $20,000 and the
> dealer shows a $10,000 trade in, sales tax is collected on the $10,000
> difference.
>
> Therefore, you need to sell your car for more than $10,700 (7% tax
> rate) in order to make a private sale be better than a trade-in. It's
> a very simple evaluation. Then there's the hassle factor of a private
> sale, the value of which is unique to every individual. That'll add
> to what a private sale price would be. But there's still a very wide
> gap between a private sale price and what the dealer will ask for it
> once he's put it on the lot, so private sales are still a good deal.
>
> Is that kind of "rigged tax calculation" you're talking about?
Yes.
>
> It hasn't stopped or even slowed private transactions down here, not
> one bit.
Stopped them /dead/ here. Which was just what the dealers were hoping for
when they asked for that change.
--
Tegger
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 1:46 pm
From: Tegger
Tegger <invalid@example.com> wrote in
news:Xns9E4CAA5B7BD07tegger@208.90.168.18:
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in
> news:elmop-BB8F3D.09583912122010@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>
>
>>
>> It hasn't stopped or even slowed private transactions down here, not
>> one bit.
>
>
>
> Stopped them /dead/ here. Which was just what the dealers were hoping
> for when they asked for that change.
>
>
>
Our tax is 13%, by the way.
--
Tegger
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TOPIC: ping jim beam
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/t/c5f43be9f7c7f60f?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 7:07 am
From: jim beam
On 12/11/2010 05:43 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> http://jalopnik.com/5710538/what-is-the-fastest-car-youve-ever-driven
>
> See the comment by cubsftw, about his engineering professor and used
> BMWs.
>
> Fascinating.
yup.
information on their engineering practices is out there, but it's one of
those things where the proles are so brainwashed by the constant
advertising bombardment, they don't want to know. the easily observable
proof being how stunningly few "intermediate" age bmw's there are on the
road is something they /really/ don't want to know!
whatever. most people get what they deserve.
--
nomina rutrum rutrum
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 7:51 am
From: "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
In article <Eq6dnSbRzoK0eJnQnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> On 12/11/2010 05:43 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> > http://jalopnik.com/5710538/what-is-the-fastest-car-youve-ever-driven
> >
> > See the comment by cubsftw, about his engineering professor and used
> > BMWs.
> >
> > Fascinating.
>
> yup.
>
> information on their engineering practices is out there, but it's one of
> those things where the proles are so brainwashed by the constant
> advertising bombardment, they don't want to know. the easily observable
> proof being how stunningly few "intermediate" age bmw's there are on the
> road is something they /really/ don't want to know!
>
> whatever. most people get what they deserve.
It won't be too long before you'll see the exact same situation with
respect to basic Hondas, which used to last forever.
You'll see CRXs, and then you'll see 4 to 5 year old Civics and Accords,
but nothing in between...
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 8:37 am
From: jim beam
On 12/12/2010 07:51 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article<Eq6dnSbRzoK0eJnQnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
> jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> On 12/11/2010 05:43 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>> http://jalopnik.com/5710538/what-is-the-fastest-car-youve-ever-driven
>>>
>>> See the comment by cubsftw, about his engineering professor and used
>>> BMWs.
>>>
>>> Fascinating.
>>
>> yup.
>>
>> information on their engineering practices is out there, but it's one of
>> those things where the proles are so brainwashed by the constant
>> advertising bombardment, they don't want to know. the easily observable
>> proof being how stunningly few "intermediate" age bmw's there are on the
>> road is something they /really/ don't want to know!
>>
>> whatever. most people get what they deserve.
>
> It won't be too long before you'll see the exact same situation with
> respect to basic Hondas, which used to last forever.
>
> You'll see CRXs, and then you'll see 4 to 5 year old Civics and Accords,
> but nothing in between...
i think we're already seeing it. a gf's 2001 civic is utterly done at
180k miles. transmission started to go, then the head gasket went -
within about 500 miles of each other. simply uneconomic to repair
unless by a diy-er. she doesn't like it enough to want to keep it. i
don't like it. and there's no "enthusiast" market for them. just not
enough of a "worthy" car to be worth any effort. she ended up replacing
it with a prius - still boring, but it drives no worse than a current
gen civic, and its hatchback is highly utilitarian.
contrast that with the 88-91 crx or 88-2000 generations of civic and
integra, and people are still spending considerable sums keeping those
things on the road because they're great to drive. have you test driven
a fit or civic lately? BORING! and what used to be all-day driving
comfort is out the window. i'd rather buy a rabbit - despite the lack
of reliability.
--
nomina rutrum rutrum
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 1:32 pm
From: "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
In article <fp-dncHGcdCnZ5nQnZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> she ended up replacing
> it with a prius - still boring, but it drives no worse than a current
> gen civic, and its hatchback is highly utilitarian.
I drive an 07 Prius, and for what I need it for it is a supremely
comfortable and competent vehicle.
I don't like the interior of the 2010 models, though...
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TOPIC: Cold engine at 70Mph
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/t/a09593521bcb7a5d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 10:13 am
From: Dillon Pyron
Thus spake Tegger <invalid@example.com> :
>Fijoy <tofijoy@gmail.com> wrote in news:a5f058bf-3858-4c56-88c1-
>b629912d9920@r19g2000prm.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I was driving my 91 Honda Accord on the interstate the other day when
>> it was near freezing outside. I noticed that the engine temperature
>> was near 'C', even after driving at 70Mph for more than 15min! I had
>> to turn the heat all the way up to get a comfortable temperature
>> inside the car. Once I exited the highway and slowed down, the engine
>> temperature began to rise toward half-way between 'C' and 'H', where
>> it usually is.
>>
>> Is the above normal? Is the radiator over-cooling the engine? I am
>> assuming that a cold engine 70Mph is not good for the car.
>>
>
>
>
>The /thermostat/ is overcooling the engine. You need to replace it.
>
>Use a genuine Honda thermostat ONLY. It's about $30, but well-worth the
>money.
Yes, my thought, also.
Once you get the antifreeze out, swapping out the 'stat is easy.
Purging the coolant is a pain, at least for me.
--
- dillon I am not invalid
An object's desireability to a dog is directly
proportional to its desireability to another dog.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 10:21 am
From: dan
It helps to open the bleeder. :)
On 12/12/2010 10:13 AM, Dillon Pyron wrote:
>
> Once you get the antifreeze out, swapping out the 'stat is easy.
> Purging the coolant is a pain, at least for me.
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