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* Curbside Classic - When Honda's Mojo Was Working: 1980-1983 Honda Civic - 2
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* New Honda being delivered Wednesday - 21 messages, 9 authors
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* 2001 Honda Accord - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Cold engine at 70Mph - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Curbside Classic - When Honda's Mojo Was Working: 1980-1983 Honda Civic
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/t/5131d8ddf1d8332d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 9 2010 11:16 pm
From: sjmmail2000-247@yahoo.co.uk
Yesterday's piece� about Honda's slippage left little doubt that its mojo ain't quite what it used to be. But there was a time when Honda was on fire, and could do (almost) no wrong. The gen 1 Civic was like a little cherry bomb lobbed into a Weight-Watcher's convention. Tiny, tinny, rude and crude as [...]
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 7:42 pm
From: Grumpy AuContraire
sjmmail2000-247@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Yesterday's piece about Honda's slippage left little doubt that its mojo ain't quite what it used to be. But there was a time when Honda was on fire, and could do (almost) no wrong. The gen 1 Civic was like a little cherry bomb lobbed into a Weight-Watcher's convention. Tiny, tinny, rude and crude as [...]
> Read More: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010/12/curbside-classic-when-hondas-mojo-was-working-1980-1983-honda-civic/
Very good read.
Honda's mojo is still working for me. I have four Gen II Civic
hatchbacks and am still lusting for a station wagon.
JT
1981 1300 DX (Future project)
1982 1300 Standard (for sale)
1982 1500 DX automatic - Daily driver
1983 1300 FE - Currently being restored
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TOPIC: New Honda being delivered Wednesday
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/t/a2fd4d4d862b1299?hl=en
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== 1 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 1:16 am
From: "Cameo"
"Seth" <sethNOSPAM@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote in message
news:idrvjj$ife$1@nocheese.eternal-september.org...
> Well after 10 years of service and over 266,000 miles my '01 Accord
> EX-V6 Auto is finally leaving the family. This is the combination
> that Honda extended the warranty on to like 109,000 miles. Never
> needed anything done to it. That is until recently and now every
> morning I have a P0780 error. So with that in mind I'm replacing her
> with a 2011 EX-L/Navi but this time going with the i4.
So how did you get rid off it? Trade-in?
== 2 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 4:39 am
From: "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
In article <idrvjj$ife$1@nocheese.eternal-september.org>,
"Seth" <sethNOSPAM@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote:
> Of the things I'll miss from the old one the one that for some reason sticks
> out the most is Homelink. Honda only puts that in the v6 version of the car
> for some odd reason.
The garage door opener?
I had an 00 4 cylinder manual trans Accord; I simply bought a Homelink
panel off Ebay, and replaced the blank panel with that. Voila.
It's not rocket science. Where do they install the buttons on the 2011
model? Is it a panel you can replace? Shoot, just buy it from the
dealer and have him install it.
I am sorry you're buying another Honda. You'll find out why soon
enough. Honda isn't the company it was 10 years ago.
== 3 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 4:54 am
From: "Seth"
"Cameo" <cameo@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:idsr5o$jn4$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> "Seth" <sethNOSPAM@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote in message
> news:idrvjj$ife$1@nocheese.eternal-september.org...
>> Well after 10 years of service and over 266,000 miles my '01 Accord EX-V6
>> Auto is finally leaving the family. This is the combination that Honda
>> extended the warranty on to like 109,000 miles. Never needed anything
>> done to it. That is until recently and now every morning I have a P0780
>> error. So with that in mind I'm replacing her with a 2011 EX-L/Navi but
>> this time going with the i4.
>
> So how did you get rid off it? Trade-in?
Yes, trade. I know selling outright on the street is usually the better way
to go but I don't believe I would have done better by enough of a margin to
make it worth it.
== 4 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 4:56 am
From: "Seth"
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-FC2384.07392610122010@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <idrvjj$ife$1@nocheese.eternal-september.org>,
> "Seth" <sethNOSPAM@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote:
>
>> Of the things I'll miss from the old one the one that for some reason
>> sticks
>> out the most is Homelink. Honda only puts that in the v6 version of the
>> car
>> for some odd reason.
>
> The garage door opener?
>
> I had an 00 4 cylinder manual trans Accord; I simply bought a Homelink
> panel off Ebay, and replaced the blank panel with that. Voila.
Hmmm. I hadn't thought of that. I'll look into that. Thanks for the idea.
Worst case I guess I go old school and clip the remote to the visor like
millions others.
> It's not rocket science. Where do they install the buttons on the 2011
> model? Is it a panel you can replace? Shoot, just buy it from the
> dealer and have him install it.
>
> I am sorry you're buying another Honda. You'll find out why soon
> enough. Honda isn't the company it was 10 years ago.
That's sad to hear. But really, what else is the alternative in that class
(both price and what you get for it)? Our 2007 Odyssey has been holding up
well. Over 60k on that already.
== 5 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 9:52 am
From: "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
In article <idt7vr$517$1@nocheese.eternal-september.org>,
"Seth" <sethNOSPAM@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote:
> > I am sorry you're buying another Honda. You'll find out why soon
> > enough. Honda isn't the company it was 10 years ago.
>
> That's sad to hear. But really, what else is the alternative in that class
> (both price and what you get for it)? Our 2007 Odyssey has been holding up
> well. Over 60k on that already.
Believe it or not, Hyundai (I think) if you're talking that level of
market. Certainly Nissan.
If you're dead-set on a Honda, buy Acura--they still seem to care at
that level (also see Infiniti). But Honda has turned into a big bag of
shit over the last ten years, and what they're turning out today is
pitiful.
Yes, I have some inside information on that.
== 6 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 10:00 am
From: "Seth"
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-26E4A0.12522210122010@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <idt7vr$517$1@nocheese.eternal-september.org>,
> "Seth" <sethNOSPAM@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote:
>
>> > I am sorry you're buying another Honda. You'll find out why soon
>> > enough. Honda isn't the company it was 10 years ago.
>>
>> That's sad to hear. But really, what else is the alternative in that
>> class
>> (both price and what you get for it)? Our 2007 Odyssey has been holding
>> up
>> well. Over 60k on that already.
>
> Believe it or not, Hyundai (I think) if you're talking that level of
> market. Certainly Nissan.
I test drove the Hyundai line (well, didn't bother with the Accent) and they
just weren't comfortable for me. Bad back and a 150 mile commute has made
my ass kind of picky.
> If you're dead-set on a Honda, buy Acura--they still seem to care at
> that level (also see Infiniti). But Honda has turned into a big bag of
> shit over the last ten years, and what they're turning out today is
> pitiful.
Well I guess I'll possibly learn the hard way then.
> Yes, I have some inside information on that.
== 7 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 10:28 am
From: "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
In article <idtpq3$mn4$1@nocheese.eternal-september.org>,
"Seth" <sethNOSPAM@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote:
> > Believe it or not, Hyundai (I think) if you're talking that level of
> > market. Certainly Nissan.
>
> I test drove the Hyundai line (well, didn't bother with the Accent) and they
> just weren't comfortable for me. Bad back and a 150 mile commute has made
> my ass kind of picky.
Well, "comfortable for any given individual" is way different from
"building quality cars".
Honda is spending their hard-earned capital of reputation faster than a
drunken sailor. That will come back to bite them, hard--but hey,
they'll deal with that when the time comes, right?
== 8 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 10:44 am
From: Lynn McGuire
On 12/10/2010 11:52 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article<idt7vr$517$1@nocheese.eternal-september.org>,
> "Seth"<sethNOSPAM@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote:
>
>>> I am sorry you're buying another Honda. You'll find out why soon
>>> enough. Honda isn't the company it was 10 years ago.
>>
>> That's sad to hear. But really, what else is the alternative in that class
>> (both price and what you get for it)? Our 2007 Odyssey has been holding up
>> well. Over 60k on that already.
>
> Believe it or not, Hyundai (I think) if you're talking that level of
> market. Certainly Nissan.
>
> If you're dead-set on a Honda, buy Acura--they still seem to care at
> that level (also see Infiniti). But Honda has turned into a big bag of
> s*** over the last ten years, and what they're turning out today is
> pitiful.
>
> Yes, I have some inside information on that.
I have a data point to dispute that. I bought my wife a 2005
Civic EX coupe with a five speed 6 years ago. It now has 55K
miles on it and the only thing that I have had to do besides
change the oil is replace the tires and the battery.
Excellent car and highly recommended.
Lynn
== 9 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 10:52 am
From: jim beam
On 12/10/2010 10:28 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article<idtpq3$mn4$1@nocheese.eternal-september.org>,
> "Seth"<sethNOSPAM@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote:
>
>>> Believe it or not, Hyundai (I think) if you're talking that level of
>>> market. Certainly Nissan.
>>
>> I test drove the Hyundai line (well, didn't bother with the Accent) and they
>> just weren't comfortable for me. Bad back and a 150 mile commute has made
>> my ass kind of picky.
>
> Well, "comfortable for any given individual" is way different from
> "building quality cars".
>
> Honda is spending their hard-earned capital of reputation faster than a
> drunken sailor. That will come back to bite them, hard--but hey,
> they'll deal with that when the time comes, right?
they're certainly dropping their support of their older civics as fast
as they can. their 4-wheel double-wishbone crx, and 88-2000 civics were
fabulous bang for the buck, reliable, comparatively fast, comfortable
and great handling - they were the cars that put honda on the map. that
era of accord, integra and prelude wasn't bad either. they're still the
cars that keep honda winning on the grass roots race circuits too. but
honda are pulling support parts off the shelves and not replacing them -
it looks like they're aiming for 10-year support like domestics, and
that era has passed it's expiration date.
really bad for brand loyalty. and the new ones are uncomfortable. i'd
not buy a new car from honda's current lineup.
--
nomina rutrum rutrum
== 10 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 11:06 am
From: Tegger
"Seth" <sethNOSPAM@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote in
news:idtpq3$mn4$1@nocheese.eternal-september.org:
>
> Well I guess I'll possibly learn the hard way then.
I think you're going to be just fine. Honda's still a good company, and
their cars are still well-made. However, considerable compromises have been
made to the interior and to other non-essential parts in order to allow the
re-allocation of funds necessary for all the airbags and other government-
mandated equipment. This results in a cheaper feel than what used to be.
Me, I'm on the verge of finally replacing the '91 Integra, which now has
over 356,000 miles and is going to need at least an engine/tranny rebuild
in the next year or two. Unfortunately, Honda does not have what I need, so
my next car will not be a Honda.
Why can't Honda make a Civic wagon, on the order of the Mazda 3 Sport?
/That/ I would buy. The Fit is too small for my needs.
I'll likely be buying something by next Christmas, if not before. The wife
and I have been discussing options, since we'd like something larger for
travelling.
--
Tegger
== 11 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 11:16 am
From: "Cameo"
"Seth" <sethNOSPAM@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote in message
news:idt7s7$4dk$1@nocheese.eternal-september.org...
>> So how did you get rid off it? Trade-in?
>
> Yes, trade. I know selling outright on the street is usually the
> better way to go but I don't believe I would have done better by
> enough of a margin to make it worth it.
With known problem it's best to trade it in and let the dealer take care
of any future problems with it.
== 12 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 12:56 pm
From: "Howard Lester"
"Lynn McGuire" wrote
> I have a data point to dispute that. I bought my wife a 2005
> Civic EX coupe with a five speed 6 years ago. It now has 55K
> miles on it and the only thing that I have had to do besides
> change the oil is replace the tires and the battery.
>
> Excellent car and highly recommended.
Same opinion here, same replacements (plus rear brakes at about 30,000):
2004 Accord EX sedan i4 auto, 62K, very comfortable. Knock on Formica, it'll
be repair-free for another 62K. I've only owned Hondas since 1982, and will
be open to other brands when the time comes for a new one.
== 13 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 3:04 pm
From: "clams"
"Cameo" <cameo@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:idtu9d$brh$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> "Seth" <sethNOSPAM@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote in message
> news:idt7s7$4dk$1@nocheese.eternal-september.org...
>>> So how did you get rid off it? Trade-in?
>>
>> Yes, trade. I know selling outright on the street is usually the better
>> way to go but I don't believe I would have done better by enough of a
>> margin to make it worth it.
>
> With known problem it's best to trade it in and let the dealer take care
> of any future problems with it.
That's assuming the dealer provides something for the trade vs.buying
outright, without a trade.
More realistically, dealers typically take older cars off their customer's
hands in lieu of a discount.
My son once attempted to trade a car where the dealer offered him an extra
$100 off the car without the trade.
== 14 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 3:18 pm
From: Lynn McGuire
On 12/10/2010 1:06 PM, Tegger wrote:
> "Seth"<sethNOSPAM@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote in
> news:idtpq3$mn4$1@nocheese.eternal-september.org:
>
>
>>
>> Well I guess I'll possibly learn the hard way then.
>
>
>
> I think you're going to be just fine. Honda's still a good company, and
> their cars are still well-made. However, considerable compromises have been
> made to the interior and to other non-essential parts in order to allow the
> re-allocation of funds necessary for all the airbags and other government-
> mandated equipment. This results in a cheaper feel than what used to be.
>
> Me, I'm on the verge of finally replacing the '91 Integra, which now has
> over 356,000 miles and is going to need at least an engine/tranny rebuild
> in the next year or two. Unfortunately, Honda does not have what I need, so
> my next car will not be a Honda.
>
> Why can't Honda make a Civic wagon, on the order of the Mazda 3 Sport?
> /That/ I would buy. The Fit is too small for my needs.
>
> I'll likely be buying something by next Christmas, if not before. The wife
> and I have been discussing options, since we'd like something larger for
> travelling.
It's called an Odysssey. http://automobiles.honda.com/odyssey/
But I prefer my Ford Expedition for traveling as it is a true
land yacht.
Lynn
== 15 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 4:43 pm
From: "Seth"
"Lynn McGuire" <lmc@winsim.com> wrote in message
news:iducg7$4jt$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 12/10/2010 1:06 PM, Tegger wrote:
>>
>> I'll likely be buying something by next Christmas, if not before. The
>> wife
>> and I have been discussing options, since we'd like something larger for
>> travelling.
>
> It's called an Odysssey. http://automobiles.honda.com/odyssey/
> But I prefer my Ford Expedition for traveling as it is a true
> land yacht.
2007 Odyssey is our other Honda. My wife picked that because of A) how
reliable my Accord had been the prior 6 years and B) of the 3 vehicles we
had narrowed our choices down to it was the only one that had leather and
would seat 8. The Sienna for example maxed out at 7 in leather. The R350
was only 6 seats.
== 16 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 6:02 pm
From: Tegger
Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> wrote in
news:iducg7$4jt$1@news.eternal-september.org:
> On 12/10/2010 1:06 PM, Tegger wrote:
>> "Seth"<sethNOSPAM@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote in
>> news:idtpq3$mn4$1@nocheese.eternal-september.org:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Well I guess I'll possibly learn the hard way then.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think you're going to be just fine. Honda's still a good company,
>> and their cars are still well-made. However, considerable compromises
>> have been made to the interior and to other non-essential parts in
>> order to allow the re-allocation of funds necessary for all the
>> airbags and other government- mandated equipment. This results in a
>> cheaper feel than what used to be.
>>
>> Me, I'm on the verge of finally replacing the '91 Integra, which now
>> has over 356,000 miles and is going to need at least an engine/tranny
>> rebuild in the next year or two. Unfortunately, Honda does not have
>> what I need, so my next car will not be a Honda.
>>
>> Why can't Honda make a Civic wagon, on the order of the Mazda 3
>> Sport? /That/ I would buy. The Fit is too small for my needs.
>>
>> I'll likely be buying something by next Christmas, if not before. The
>> wife and I have been discussing options, since we'd like something
>> larger for travelling.
>
> It's called an Odysssey. http://automobiles.honda.com/odyssey/
> But I prefer my Ford Expedition for traveling as it is a true
> land yacht.
>
Too costly; we're too cheap for that.
Plus neither of us like the "soccer mom" stigma that comes with minivans.
--
Tegger
== 17 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 6:45 pm
From: Grumpy AuContraire
Howard Lester wrote:
> I've only owned Hondas since 1982,
> and will be open to other brands when the time comes for a new one.
Ironically, I drive an '82 Civic automatic everyday...
JT
== 18 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 7:30 pm
From: "Cameo"
"clams" <clams@drunkinclam.com> wrote in message
news:idubm9$8gr$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> With known problem it's best to trade it in and let the dealer take
>> care of any future problems with it.
>
> That's assuming the dealer provides something for the trade vs.buying
> outright, without a trade.
>
> More realistically, dealers typically take older cars off their
> customer's hands in lieu of a discount.
>
> My son once attempted to trade a car where the dealer offered him an
> extra $100 off the car without the trade.
That's true. If a car is in good working order, I would always try to
sell it myself and buy a new car without trading in the old one. There
is no way to know what an angry buyer of my old car could do when he
discovers I sold him a car with known hidden problem. So that's when I
would rather trade it in.
== 19 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 8:00 pm
From: "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
In article <Xns9E4A8F83B9BF0tegger@208.90.168.18>,
Tegger <invalid@example.com> wrote:
> I think you're going to be just fine. Honda's still a good company, and
> their cars are still well-made. However, considerable compromises have been
> made to the interior and to other non-essential parts in order to allow the
> re-allocation of funds necessary for all the airbags and other government-
> mandated equipment. This results in a cheaper feel than what used to be.
It's gone LONG past non-essential parts. They're beyond cutting TO the
bone, and are amputating entire limbs.
Honda is scared to death of Hyundai, and is busy *re*acting to that
perceived threat. Their reaction is based on panic, not calculation.
Honda has proven that they're chasing the Hyundai buyer who, for $5
less, would jump over and buy the Hyundai.
Bad move.
Unfortunately, this started back far enough (with the 98 and up
transmisions) and has gone on long enough that they probably can't
reverse the downhill trend.
One day, their reputation capital will be spent, and they'll be
completely stuck.
== 20 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 8:02 pm
From: "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
In article <Xns9E4A8F83B9BF0tegger@208.90.168.18>,
Tegger <invalid@example.com> wrote:
> Why can't Honda make a Civic wagon, on the order of the Mazda 3 Sport?
> /That/ I would buy. The Fit is too small for my needs.
yeah, but I would consider a Fit Si in a heartbeat (probably wouldn't
buy it, but I'd go look). That would be the spiritual descendant of the
original Civic Si. It doesn't have to be radical; put the 140hp motor
from the stock Civic into the lighter weight Fit, do up the suspension,
make it either black w/red interior or red w/black interior, and go.
Price it like a Fit.
Remember, it's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow.
== 21 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 8:04 pm
From: "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
In article <idtsem$sd2$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> wrote:
> > If you're dead-set on a Honda, buy Acura--they still seem to care at
> > that level (also see Infiniti). But Honda has turned into a big bag of
> > s*** over the last ten years, and what they're turning out today is
> > pitiful.
> >
> > Yes, I have some inside information on that.
>
> I have a data point to dispute that. I bought my wife a 2005
> Civic EX coupe with a five speed 6 years ago. It now has 55K
> miles on it and the only thing that I have had to do besides
> change the oil is replace the tires and the battery.
>
> Excellent car and highly recommended.
Probably the very last car to bite the dust will be the ones equipped
with 4 cylinder engines and manual transmissions. That is Honda's
lifeblood, and it'll be awhile before executive management gets
desperate enough to screw that up.
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TOPIC: 2001 Honda Accord
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/t/f059114511e29ce8?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 7:37 am
From: Naum Zahran
It is amazing how good a car maker Honda is. I am really impressed by
how low maintenance the car I bought in 2001 was. Compared to my
previous car, which cost me a lot in repairs, this car really saved me
a lot of money. It could be just luck or maybe this car is great
quality.
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TOPIC: Cold engine at 70Mph
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/t/a09593521bcb7a5d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 11:08 am
From: Tegger
Fijoy <tofijoy@gmail.com> wrote in news:a5f058bf-3858-4c56-88c1-
b629912d9920@r19g2000prm.googlegroups.com:
> Hi all,
>
> I was driving my 91 Honda Accord on the interstate the other day when
> it was near freezing outside. I noticed that the engine temperature
> was near 'C', even after driving at 70Mph for more than 15min! I had
> to turn the heat all the way up to get a comfortable temperature
> inside the car. Once I exited the highway and slowed down, the engine
> temperature began to rise toward half-way between 'C' and 'H', where
> it usually is.
>
> Is the above normal? Is the radiator over-cooling the engine? I am
> assuming that a cold engine 70Mph is not good for the car.
>
The /thermostat/ is overcooling the engine. You need to replace it.
Use a genuine Honda thermostat ONLY. It's about $30, but well-worth the
money.
--
Tegger
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