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TOPIC: New Honda being delivered Wednesday
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 8:07 pm
From: "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
In article <aZudndMAwcZB65_QnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> > Honda is spending their hard-earned capital of reputation faster than a
> > drunken sailor. That will come back to bite them, hard--but hey,
> > they'll deal with that when the time comes, right?
>
> they're certainly dropping their support of their older civics as fast
> as they can. their 4-wheel double-wishbone crx, and 88-2000 civics were
> fabulous bang for the buck, reliable, comparatively fast, comfortable
> and great handling - they were the cars that put honda on the map. that
> era of accord, integra and prelude wasn't bad either. they're still the
> cars that keep honda winning on the grass roots race circuits too. but
> honda are pulling support parts off the shelves and not replacing them -
> it looks like they're aiming for 10-year support like domestics, and
> that era has passed it's expiration date.
ah, the BMW model.
>
> really bad for brand loyalty. and the new ones are uncomfortable. i'd
> not buy a new car from honda's current lineup.
Well, they'll worry about brand loyalty later. Right?
As for uncomfortable, just those damn headrests alone would keep me from
buying a Honda today. No, Honda, you don't have to jam them forward so
far you make my chin touch my chest. And I refuse to recline the
seatback like a gangsta just to avoid all of that.
== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 3:28 am
From: Elle
On Dec 10, 1:56 pm, "Howard Lester" <howardxtles...@verizon.net>
wrote:
> "Lynn McGuire" wrote
>
> > I have a data point to dispute that. I bought my wife a 2005
> > Civic EX coupe with a five speed 6 years ago. It now has 55K
> > miles on it and the only thing that I have had to do besides
> > change the oil is replace the tires and the battery.
>
> > Excellent car and highly recommended.
>
> Same opinion here, same replacements (plus rear brakes at about 30,000):
> 2004 Accord EX sedan i4 auto, 62K, very comfortable. Knock on Formica, it'll
> be repair-free for another 62K. I've only owned Hondas since 1982, and will
> be open to other brands when the time comes for a new one.
Similarly, I am very pleased with my 2003 Civic LX Coupe at 98k miles.
I did not think I would like the 1.7L engine, for fuel-economy
reasons. But it turns out I am getting 40+ mpg on average year-round
(overinflating tires to about 40 psi, with no signs of uneven wear
problems, knock on aluminum), and the extra horsepower is great on the
highway. I do not notice a reduction in fuel mileage when using air
conditioning. The engine does not struggle (slowing the car) to climb
the hills here the way my 91 and 93 Civics did. I either found it a
little easier to change the timing belt etc. on the 2003 than my older
Civics, or I just have enough experience that every TB change is
easier. The distributor-less design (so one ignition coil per
cylinder) seems to work well, though if memory serves, I think honda-
tech.com folks are starting to report a failure now and then of these
for the 01-05 generation of Civic.
One drawback is the sidewinder design of door locks. Getting parts to
rebuild it is difficult. The design is such that it fails much sooner
than the older design.
I just bought a pair of tires over the internet for the first time. As
second owner, the Civic came with two fairly new Pirelli tires in the
front in 2009. The back tires were Firestone and are way overdue for
replacement, from how worn they are (uniformly) and cracked.
I own a little stock in Honda and it is doing nicely, with a nice gain
since I bought it in 2006. Not that stock price means too much, unless
maybe one wants to compare to GM, Toyota and Ford.
== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 6:34 am
From: "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
In article
<04d3795f-d8ad-4b1f-be14-9144a4d86df9@p26g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
Elle <honda.lioness@gmail.com> wrote:
> One drawback is the sidewinder design of door locks. Getting parts to
> rebuild it is difficult. The design is such that it fails much sooner
> than the older design.
OK, so they fucked up on something as simple as door locks. That
probably saved them 3 cents per car, and put the onus onto the owner to
deal with it for the rest of his ownership of the car.
That was in 2003?
Guess what's happening today on the 2011 models. Hint: things haven't
changed for the better.
== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 7:15 am
From: "Howard Lester"
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote
> As for uncomfortable, just those damn headrests alone would keep me from
> buying a Honda today. No, Honda, you don't have to jam them forward so
> far you make my chin touch my chest. And I refuse to recline the
> seatback like a gangsta just to avoid all of that.
I wondered about that too-forward headrest, and for the first couple weeks I
was driving with the seatback in its full upright position. That's the
seatback position I've used in my previous Hondas. Anyway, with the Accord,
my back was hurting. Then I discovered that by reclining the seat just one
or two notches (not enough for a gangsta look), all seating problems were
solved. I love the seat's depth, as it nicely supports my thighs. My Civics'
seats were too short, so with the Accord I discovered luxury. I hope Honda
hasn't shortened the seats on the new ones.
== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 10:14 am
From: Elle
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> Elle <honda.lion...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > One drawback is the sidewinder design of door locks. Getting parts to
> > rebuild it is difficult. The design is such that it fails much sooner
> > than the older design.
>
> OK, so they fucked up on something as simple as door locks.
"BMW and Mercedes started using laser cut, or sidewinder keys many
years ago. Now Honda, Acura, Toyota, Lexus, Infinity, and many more,
including Pontiac, are using this style of key."
== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 11:07 am
From: Tegger
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in news:elmop-
99DCE5.09344911122010@news.eternal-september.org:
> In article
> <04d3795f-d8ad-4b1f-be14-9144a4d86df9@p26g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
> Elle <honda.lioness@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> One drawback is the sidewinder design of door locks. Getting parts to
>> rebuild it is difficult. The design is such that it fails much sooner
>> than the older design.
>
> OK, so they fucked up on something as simple as door locks. That
> probably saved them 3 cents per car, and put the onus onto the owner to
> deal with it for the rest of his ownership of the car.
The "sidewinder" design was chosen for security reasons, not cost.
--
Tegger
== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 11:09 am
From: Tegger
"Howard Lester" <howardxtlester@verizon.net> wrote in
news:ie04iv$gv5$1@news.eternal-september.org:
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote
>
>> As for uncomfortable, just those damn headrests alone would keep me
>> from buying a Honda today. No, Honda, you don't have to jam them
>> forward so far you make my chin touch my chest. And I refuse to
>> recline the seatback like a gangsta just to avoid all of that.
>
> I wondered about that too-forward headrest,
It's a"safety" feature. It's supposed to help prevent neck injuries by
preventing the head from being able to move very far in a rear-end
collision.
--
Tegger
== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 1:13 pm
From: "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
In article <Xns9E4B8FFD53D2Ategger@208.90.168.18>,
Tegger <invalid@example.com> wrote:
> > I wondered about that too-forward headrest,
>
>
>
> It's a"safety" feature. It's supposed to help prevent neck injuries by
> preventing the head from being able to move very far in a rear-end
> collision.
And yet, the rest of the car manufacturers don't do it to the extreme
Honda does.
== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 1:33 pm
From: jim beam
On 12/11/2010 11:09 AM, Tegger wrote:
> "Howard Lester"<howardxtlester@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:ie04iv$gv5$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote
>>
>>> As for uncomfortable, just those damn headrests alone would keep me
>>> from buying a Honda today. No, Honda, you don't have to jam them
>>> forward so far you make my chin touch my chest. And I refuse to
>>> recline the seatback like a gangsta just to avoid all of that.
>>
>> I wondered about that too-forward headrest,
>
>
>
> It's a"safety" feature. It's supposed to help prevent neck injuries by
> preventing the head from being able to move very far in a rear-end
> collision.
that might be true, but it doesn't explain why toyota don't seem to be
afflicted in the same way.
--
nomina rutrum rutrum
== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 6:36 pm
From: Grumpy AuContraire
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>
> Remember, it's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow.
Ain't that the truth. I have more fun driving the hilly winding back
roads in my ancient Civic(s) without worrying about the cops behind the
bill boards on the main roads.
JT
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TOPIC: Cold engine at 70Mph
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 1:49 pm
From: Fijoy
On Dec 9, 4:18 pm, Fijoy <tofi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I was driving my 91 Honda Accord on the interstate the other day when
> it was near freezing outside. I noticed that the engine temperature
> was near 'C', even after driving at 70Mph for more than 15min! I had
> to turn the heat all the way up to get a comfortable temperature
> inside the car. Once I exited the highway and slowed down, the engine
> temperature began to rise toward half-way between 'C' and 'H', where
> it usually is.
>
> Is the above normal? Is the radiator over-cooling the engine? I am
> assuming that a cold engine 70Mph is not good for the car.
>
> Thanks for any advice.
>
> Fijoy
Hi all,
Thanks for the responses.
I am thinking of changing the thermostat myself, but I am a novice. I
cannot not figure out where the thermostat is, even after a google
search. Is it on the lower radiator hose, or the upper one? Do I
absolutely have to drain the cooling system to change it?
Fijoy
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 3:49 pm
From: Average Joe
On 12/11/10 4:49 PM, Fijoy wrote:
> On Dec 9, 4:18 pm, Fijoy<tofi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I was driving my 91 Honda Accord on the interstate the other day when
>> it was near freezing outside. I noticed that the engine temperature
>> was near 'C', even after driving at 70Mph for more than 15min! I had
>> to turn the heat all the way up to get a comfortable temperature
>> inside the car. Once I exited the highway and slowed down, the engine
>> temperature began to rise toward half-way between 'C' and 'H', where
>> it usually is.
>>
>> Is the above normal? Is the radiator over-cooling the engine? I am
>> assuming that a cold engine 70Mph is not good for the car.
>>
>> Thanks for any advice.
>>
>> Fijoy
>
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks for the responses.
>
> I am thinking of changing the thermostat myself, but I am a novice. I
> cannot not figure out where the thermostat is, even after a google
> search. Is it on the lower radiator hose, or the upper one? Do I
> absolutely have to drain the cooling system to change it?
>
> Fijoy
Your willingness and sense of adventure are admirable--- but it sounds
like you're over your head on this one. Take it to a repair shop...
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 5:43 pm
From: "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
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See the comment by cubsftw, about his engineering professor and used
BMWs.
Fascinating.
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