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TOPIC: U.S. study finds driver error in most Toyota accidents --they bought
the wrong car
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos/t/f770c7e0910be307?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 11 2010 9:04 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"
On Aug 11, 8:27 pm, Harry K <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 11, 12:30 pm, Clive <cl...@yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > In message <KeA8o.55691$Zp1.45...@newsfe15.iad>, JoeSpareBedroom
> > <newstr...@frontiernet.net> writes>"But Toyota spokesman Brian Lyons acknowledged this evening that the
> > >company's black boxes have limited capability because they typically produce
> > >data only when the airbag is activated.
>
> > As the airbag is activated on impact, are you trying to tell the world
> > that everyone takes their foot off of the brake the moment they know
> > they're going to crash? I KNOW I wouldn't.
> > --
> > Clive
>
> The most important information occurs prior to impact.
>
> Harry K
I made the same error. Mine was unsafe at any speed.
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 12 2010 2:02 am
From: Kev
Nate Nagel wrote:
> On 08/11/2010 06:05 PM, hls wrote:
>>
>> "Clive" <clive@yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> What about all the vehicles with automatic transmissions that would
>>> drop into reverse if left unattended and were never repaired because
>>> it would bankrupt the company?
>>> --
>>> Clive
>>
>> We in fact dont know what happened. I dont remember specifically what
>> cars dropped into reverse.. Could you
>> refresh my memory?
>
> Think it was Fords, back in the 70's... way long ago. only heard about
> it, cars were beaters before I was old enough to notice.
That would be the column auto shift cars
the ones where people would jam them into park without their foot on the
brake pedal or the vehicle was still moving and the gearbox wouldn't
properly engage park
also due to laziness wouldn't pull the lever forward far enough so that
the locking tag would wear out or break, in this case ther vehicle could
then be shifted between park, reverse, neutral and drive without pulling
the lever back(towards the steering wheel)
I have seen this plenty of times on older 60s and 70s cars and not just
fords either
Kev
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 12 2010 6:19 am
From: chuckcar
Clive <clive@yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:AwoK8OZUpvYMFwYC@yewbank.demon.co.uk:
> In message <KeA8o.55691$Zp1.45373@newsfe15.iad>, JoeSpareBedroom
> <newstrash@frontiernet.net> writes
>>"But Toyota spokesman Brian Lyons acknowledged this evening that the
>>company's black boxes have limited capability because they typically
>>produce data only when the airbag is activated.
> As the airbag is activated on impact, are you trying to tell the world
> that everyone takes their foot off of the brake the moment they know
> they're going to crash? I KNOW I wouldn't.
Last minute suicide pact <g>
--
(setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 12 2010 6:19 am
From: chuckcar
kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote in
news:i3v8e2$ghi$1@panix2.panix.com:
> In article <xO-dnZOY5oUCg_7RnZ2dnUVZ5tOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> hls <hls@nospam.nix> wrote:
>>
>>"Clive" <clive@yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> What about all the vehicles with automatic transmissions that would
>>> drop into reverse if left unattended and were never repaired because
>>> it would bankrupt the company?
>>
>>We in fact dont know what happened.
>>I dont remember specifically what cars dropped into reverse.. Could
>>you refresh my memory?
>
> Dunno, but I had a Datsun 710 that dropped into reverse on the highway
> while the prindle was in drive. The end result was very exciting...
> it is amazing how much mechanical stuff is inside a transmission when
> all of a sudden it isn't inside any longer.
The problem would be all the cars behind you annoyed at all the caltrops
you dropped I imagine.<g>
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(setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 12 2010 6:19 am
From: chuckcar
"C. E. White" <cewhite3remove@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:mt-dnThtVN8zgf_RnZ2dnUVZ_h-dnZ2d@earthlink.com:
> U.S. study finds driver error in most Toyota accidents
> Automaker acknowledges other research, independent corroboration is
> needed Staff and wire reports August 10, 2010 - 4:01 pm ET
> UPDATED: 8/10/10 6:56 p.m. ET
>
> WASHINGTON -- Brakes weren't applied by drivers of Toyota vehicles in
> at least 35 of 58 crashes blamed on unintended acceleration, U.S.
> auto-safety regulators said after studying data recorders.
>
> The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration also saw no
> evidence of electronics-related causes for the accidents in reviewing
> the vehicle recorders, known as black boxes, the agency said today in
> a report to lawmakers.
Pretty standard for accident investigation - you eliminate human error
first because that's *always* the most common cause. In planes it's
almost impossible to find other ones these days.
I still say that Toyota (at least the executive part) has handled this
*extremely* badly. They should have stuck by their guns and said "wait
for the investigation to *find* the cause(s)". I can see at least one
falling on his sword in the very near future. The CEO. It may even help
their racing program. God knows they need to get the boardroom away from it
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