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* Irwell is correct. Manual transmissions are best. - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Irwell is correct. Manual transmissions are best.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 22 2011 12:00 pm
From: "hls"
"Bjorn" <gosinn@gmail.com> wrote in message news:e32d5c90-464e-
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/fordon_motor/bilar/article3067585.ece
http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20080707/154383/
That is no answer to my challenge. These are not in public use, as
I stipulated in my post.
AFAIK there is still no system that I know of that meets your claims:
" This is actually something that is tested and implemented.
It is a cheap and reliable way to set up a driverless public
transport."
It may be in tests but it is not publicly implemented.
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TOPIC: Depreciation
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== 1 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 23 2011 8:11 am
From: Al
On Jan 21, 2:21 pm, BIGtitties <clitte...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I doubt I'll own my 2010 Accent 4-door long enough to determine
> longevity/depreciation.
>
> I bought a new 2010 Accent two months ago, but, being old-school,
> didn't think to look
> for or ask about a TEMPERATURE GAUGE at time of purchase.
>
> And the salesman didn't tell me about this missing instrument,
> either. Since that day he's been hard to contact.
>
> Intentional?
>
> I'll probably never know.
>
> But the absence of an in-dash analog gauge has made me uncomfortable,
> and skeptical. Like what ELSE DOESN'T this motor vehicle have?
My GMC Sierra has all the gauges and I keep an eye on them. If I were
sitting in the seat of something I test drove, I would immediately
notice what gauges it did have available. I assume you did test drive
the vehicle before purchasing it. Nobody hid anything from you. Having
said all that, many people don't observe the gauges anyway.
Eliminating them keeps the costs down. Modern engine controls do a
very good job of protecting the engine and warning the driver. Chances
are good that you would observe a warning light in plenty of time to
take action. Always good to keep an eye on fluid levels and look under
the vehicle when pulling away from parking spots.
== 2 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 23 2011 9:51 am
From: dsi1
On 1/23/2011 6:11 AM, Al wrote:
> On Jan 21, 2:21 pm, BIGtitties<clitte...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I doubt I'll own my 2010 Accent 4-door long enough to determine
>> longevity/depreciation.
>>
>> I bought a new 2010 Accent two months ago, but, being old-school,
>> didn't think to look
>> for or ask about a TEMPERATURE GAUGE at time of purchase.
>>
>> And the salesman didn't tell me about this missing instrument,
>> either. Since that day he's been hard to contact.
>>
>> Intentional?
>>
>> I'll probably never know.
>>
>> But the absence of an in-dash analog gauge has made me uncomfortable,
>> and skeptical. Like what ELSE DOESN'T this motor vehicle have?
>
> My GMC Sierra has all the gauges and I keep an eye on them. If I were
> sitting in the seat of something I test drove, I would immediately
> notice what gauges it did have available. I assume you did test drive
> the vehicle before purchasing it. Nobody hid anything from you. Having
> said all that, many people don't observe the gauges anyway.
> Eliminating them keeps the costs down. Modern engine controls do a
> very good job of protecting the engine and warning the driver. Chances
> are good that you would observe a warning light in plenty of time to
> take action. Always good to keep an eye on fluid levels and look under
> the vehicle when pulling away from parking spots.
You're right that most people, including the OP, don't notice the
gauges. Most don't care either. They only think that they care. The only
thing I care about is a working AC. If that works good and the car is
half-way decent, I'm happy.
== 3 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 23 2011 9:52 am
From: The Real Bev
On 01/23/11 08:11, Al wrote:
> On Jan 21, 2:21 pm, BIGtitties<clitte...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> But the absence of an in-dash analog gauge has made me uncomfortable,
>> and skeptical. Like what ELSE DOESN'T this motor vehicle have?
>
> My GMC Sierra has all the gauges and I keep an eye on them. If I were
> sitting in the seat of something I test drove, I would immediately
> notice what gauges it did have available. I assume you did test drive
> the vehicle before purchasing it. Nobody hid anything from you. Having
> said all that, many people don't observe the gauges anyway.
> Eliminating them keeps the costs down. Modern engine controls do a
> very good job of protecting the engine and warning the driver. Chances
> are good that you would observe a warning light in plenty of time to
> take action.
My '68 LTD had a HOT warning light. It came on just after I saw steam
issuing from under the hood and the engine died.
My 88 Caddy has an actual digital temperature reading, but it's buried
in a hierarchy of stuff that you have to push buttons to get to,
removing your eyes from the road. I just leave it set there, but every
once in a while the LOW WASHER FLUID warning over-writes it and I have
to bring it back by hand.
I have NO washer fluid, the bottom is broken out of the container.
Sensors and controls aren't all they're cracked up to be, and never were.
> Always good to keep an eye on fluid levels and look under
> the vehicle when pulling away from parking spots.
--
Ch rs, B v
=======================================
My f ck ng k yb rd h s l st ts v w ls.
== 4 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 23 2011 12:54 pm
From: Jeff
Irwell <hook@yahoo.com> wrote in news:b6fr0u060hul$.fjrzbl2qhr5c$.dlg@
40tude.net:
> On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:21:14 -0800 (PST), BIGtitties wrote:
>
>> I doubt I'll own my 2010 Accent 4-door long enough to determine
>> longevity/depreciation.
>>
>> I bought a new 2010 Accent two months ago, but, being old-school,
>> didn't think to look
>> for or ask about a TEMPERATURE GAUGE at time of purchase.
>>
>> And the salesman didn't tell me about this missing instrument,
>> either. Since that day he's been hard to contact.
>>
>> Intentional?
>>
>> I'll probably never know.
>>
>> But the absence of an in-dash analog gauge has made me uncomfortable,
>> and skeptical. Like what ELSE DOESN'T this motor vehicle have?
>
> Carburretor, starting handle, ammeter, oil pressure gage,
> wind-up windows, etc.etc.
>
OP, try looking at the tachometer's lower right quadrant.
http://autos.yahoo.com/hyundai/accent/2010/gls-4-
door/pictures/dashboard/5.html
== 5 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 23 2011 1:25 pm
From: dsi1
On 1/23/2011 7:52 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>
> My '68 LTD had a HOT warning light. It came on just after I saw steam
> issuing from under the hood and the engine died.
>
> My 88 Caddy has an actual digital temperature reading, but it's buried
> in a hierarchy of stuff that you have to push buttons to get to,
> removing your eyes from the road. I just leave it set there, but every
> once in a while the LOW WASHER FLUID warning over-writes it and I have
> to bring it back by hand.
>
> I have NO washer fluid, the bottom is broken out of the container.
> Sensors and controls aren't all they're cracked up to be, and never were.
>
>> Always good to keep an eye on fluid levels and look under
>> the vehicle when pulling away from parking spots.
>
Cadillac will put stuff in the car that's pretty distracting. I used to
set the digital display on the instantaneous MPG readout and would watch
it go up and down. It went up to 70 MPG. Whoppie! Hopefully they've made
the new ones simpler and easier to set so idiots like me don't spend as
much time futzing with it while driving.
== 6 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 23 2011 1:33 pm
From: The Real Bev
On 01/23/11 13:25, dsi1 wrote:
> On 1/23/2011 7:52 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>> My '68 LTD had a HOT warning light. It came on just after I saw steam
>> issuing from under the hood and the engine died.
>>
>> My 88 Caddy has an actual digital temperature reading, but it's buried
>> in a hierarchy of stuff that you have to push buttons to get to,
>> removing your eyes from the road. I just leave it set there, but every
>> once in a while the LOW WASHER FLUID warning over-writes it and I have
>> to bring it back by hand.
>>
>> I have NO washer fluid, the bottom is broken out of the container.
>> Sensors and controls aren't all they're cracked up to be, and never were.
>>
>>> Always good to keep an eye on fluid levels and look under
>>> the vehicle when pulling away from parking spots.
>
> Cadillac will put stuff in the car that's pretty distracting. I used to
> set the digital display on the instantaneous MPG readout and would watch
> it go up and down. It went up to 70 MPG. Whoppie! Hopefully they've made
> the new ones simpler and easier to set so idiots like me don't spend as
> much time futzing with it while driving.
This one has smallish green letters (requiring reading glasses) and is
located about 2 feet below eye level and a foot to the right. It's
nearly impossible to read during the day. The buttons are tiny, and
require higher-power reading glasses. You can see only one thing at a
time, requiring one or more button pushes to change. I suppose this was
relatively new technology in 1987, but it sucks badly.
--
Cheers,
Bev
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"What's truly sad is that your vote counts the same as mine."
-- S. Brown
== 7 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 23 2011 1:48 pm
From: Vic Smith
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 07:51:30 -1000, dsi1 <dsi1@usenet-news.net> wrote:
>
>You're right that most people, including the OP, don't notice the
>gauges. Most don't care either. They only think that they care. The only
>thing I care about is a working AC. If that works good and the car is
>half-way decent, I'm happy.
>
Disagree. When starting off on a frigid day I look at my temp gauge
so I know I can stop shivering.
--Vic
== 8 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 23 2011 2:06 pm
From: Al
On Jan 23, 3:54 pm, Jeff <j...@donotspam.me> wrote:
> Irwell <h...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:b6fr0u060hul$.fjrzbl2qhr5c$.dlg@
> 40tude.net:
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:21:14 -0800 (PST), BIGtitties wrote:
>
> >> I doubt I'll own my 2010 Accent 4-door long enough to determine
> >> longevity/depreciation.
>
> >> I bought a new 2010 Accent two months ago, but, being old-school,
> >> didn't think to look
> >> for or ask about a TEMPERATURE GAUGE at time of purchase.
>
> >> And the salesman didn't tell me about this missing instrument,
> >> either. Since that day he's been hard to contact.
>
> >> Intentional?
>
> >> I'll probably never know.
>
> >> But the absence of an in-dash analog gauge has made me uncomfortable,
> >> and skeptical. Like what ELSE DOESN'T this motor vehicle have?
>
> > Carburretor, starting handle, ammeter, oil pressure gage,
> > wind-up windows, etc.etc.
>
> OP, try looking at the tachometer's lower right quadrant.http://autos.yahoo.com/hyundai/accent/2010/gls-4-
> door/pictures/dashboard/5.html
You are right. I just looked for the 2010 Accent dashboard and the
analog temp gauge is clearly there in the lower left. Leads me to
think the OP has problems.
== 9 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 23 2011 2:10 pm
From: dsi1
On 1/23/2011 11:33 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 01/23/11 13:25, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> On 1/23/2011 7:52 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>
>>> My '68 LTD had a HOT warning light. It came on just after I saw steam
>>> issuing from under the hood and the engine died.
>>>
>>> My 88 Caddy has an actual digital temperature reading, but it's buried
>>> in a hierarchy of stuff that you have to push buttons to get to,
>>> removing your eyes from the road. I just leave it set there, but every
>>> once in a while the LOW WASHER FLUID warning over-writes it and I have
>>> to bring it back by hand.
>>>
>>> I have NO washer fluid, the bottom is broken out of the container.
>>> Sensors and controls aren't all they're cracked up to be, and never
>>> were.
>>>
>>>> Always good to keep an eye on fluid levels and look under
>>>> the vehicle when pulling away from parking spots.
>>
>> Cadillac will put stuff in the car that's pretty distracting. I used to
>> set the digital display on the instantaneous MPG readout and would watch
>> it go up and down. It went up to 70 MPG. Whoppie! Hopefully they've made
>> the new ones simpler and easier to set so idiots like me don't spend as
>> much time futzing with it while driving.
>
> This one has smallish green letters (requiring reading glasses) and is
> located about 2 feet below eye level and a foot to the right. It's
> nearly impossible to read during the day. The buttons are tiny, and
> require higher-power reading glasses. You can see only one thing at a
> time, requiring one or more button pushes to change. I suppose this was
> relatively new technology in 1987, but it sucks badly.
>
There's a lot of computer stuff from the 80's that we'd consider pretty
primitive today. Cadillac pretty much had the most advanced electronic
multi-function display dashboard of it's time. I inherited my 87 Seville
from my father-in-law when he passed away. It was pretty amazing
technology. I didn't even know they made FWD cars with V8s. It drove
ass-low because the gas bag suspension in the back had lost all it's
wind and the air pump went South. It was a super-duper neat car until
most everything broke. That's the breaks.
== 10 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 23 2011 2:25 pm
From: dsi1
On 1/23/2011 11:48 AM, Vic Smith wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 07:51:30 -1000, dsi1<dsi1@usenet-news.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> You're right that most people, including the OP, don't notice the
>> gauges. Most don't care either. They only think that they care. The only
>> thing I care about is a working AC. If that works good and the car is
>> half-way decent, I'm happy.
>>
>
> Disagree. When starting off on a frigid day I look at my temp gauge
> so I know I can stop shivering.
>
> --Vic
My Sonata comes with seat warmers for frigid days. Unfortunately, I live
in Hawaii and the damn place never gets cold enough. We don't have any
fog here either so I can't really test my fog lamps. The best that I can
do is turn them on at night so I can look like one of those dicks
driving a BMW. :-)
== 11 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 23 2011 2:47 pm
From: "Ed Pawlowski"
?
"Vic Smith" <thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> Disagree. When starting off on a frigid day I look at my temp gauge
> so I know I can stop shivering.
>
> --Vic
You'd have loved my Buick Regal. The gauge would peg hot as soon as you
turned the key. No shiver needed.
== 12 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 23 2011 6:06 pm
From: The Real Bev
On 01/23/11 14:10, dsi1 wrote:
> On 1/23/2011 11:33 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 01/23/11 13:25, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/23/2011 7:52 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My '68 LTD had a HOT warning light. It came on just after I saw steam
>>>> issuing from under the hood and the engine died.
>>>>
>>>> My 88 Caddy has an actual digital temperature reading, but it's buried
>>>> in a hierarchy of stuff that you have to push buttons to get to,
>>>> removing your eyes from the road. I just leave it set there, but every
>>>> once in a while the LOW WASHER FLUID warning over-writes it and I have
>>>> to bring it back by hand.
>>>>
>>>> I have NO washer fluid, the bottom is broken out of the container.
>>>> Sensors and controls aren't all they're cracked up to be, and never
>>>> were.
>>>>
>>>>> Always good to keep an eye on fluid levels and look under
>>>>> the vehicle when pulling away from parking spots.
>>>
>>> Cadillac will put stuff in the car that's pretty distracting. I used to
>>> set the digital display on the instantaneous MPG readout and would watch
>>> it go up and down. It went up to 70 MPG. Whoppie! Hopefully they've made
>>> the new ones simpler and easier to set so idiots like me don't spend as
>>> much time futzing with it while driving.
>>
>> This one has smallish green letters (requiring reading glasses) and is
>> located about 2 feet below eye level and a foot to the right. It's
>> nearly impossible to read during the day. The buttons are tiny, and
>> require higher-power reading glasses. You can see only one thing at a
>> time, requiring one or more button pushes to change. I suppose this was
>> relatively new technology in 1987, but it sucks badly.
>
> There's a lot of computer stuff from the 80's that we'd consider pretty
> primitive today. Cadillac pretty much had the most advanced electronic
> multi-function display dashboard of it's time. I inherited my 87 Seville
> from my father-in-law when he passed away. It was pretty amazing
> technology. I didn't even know they made FWD cars with V8s. It drove
> ass-low because the gas bag suspension in the back had lost all it's
> wind and the air pump went South.
Friend has a 92 caddy with load-leveling shocks. Who needs shit like
that? When they go bad they run all the time and wipe out the battery.
He hoped to replace them with ordinary shocks, but they don't make
them. I'm SOOO glad my mom's car (now mine) doesn't have those.
> It was a super-duper neat car until
> most everything broke. That's the breaks.
This one can't lock the passenger door with the driver-side switch, and
the passenger window makes gear-grinding noises at the very top and when
it's open about 6 inches. I gave it a new radio, so maybe it won't
break anything else. Although, come to think of it, the window problem
started AFTER I got the radio...
--
Cheers, Bev
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"Windows Freedom Day: a holiday that moves each year, the date of which
is calculated by adding up the total amount of time a typical person
must spend restarting windows and then determining how many work weeks
that would correspond to." -- Trygve Lode
== 13 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 23 2011 6:42 pm
From: dsi1
On 1/23/2011 4:06 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 01/23/11 14:10, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> On 1/23/2011 11:33 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 01/23/11 13:25, dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/23/2011 7:52 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> My '68 LTD had a HOT warning light. It came on just after I saw steam
>>>>> issuing from under the hood and the engine died.
>>>>>
>>>>> My 88 Caddy has an actual digital temperature reading, but it's buried
>>>>> in a hierarchy of stuff that you have to push buttons to get to,
>>>>> removing your eyes from the road. I just leave it set there, but every
>>>>> once in a while the LOW WASHER FLUID warning over-writes it and I have
>>>>> to bring it back by hand.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have NO washer fluid, the bottom is broken out of the container.
>>>>> Sensors and controls aren't all they're cracked up to be, and never
>>>>> were.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Always good to keep an eye on fluid levels and look under
>>>>>> the vehicle when pulling away from parking spots.
>>>>
>>>> Cadillac will put stuff in the car that's pretty distracting. I used to
>>>> set the digital display on the instantaneous MPG readout and would
>>>> watch
>>>> it go up and down. It went up to 70 MPG. Whoppie! Hopefully they've
>>>> made
>>>> the new ones simpler and easier to set so idiots like me don't spend as
>>>> much time futzing with it while driving.
>>>
>>> This one has smallish green letters (requiring reading glasses) and is
>>> located about 2 feet below eye level and a foot to the right. It's
>>> nearly impossible to read during the day. The buttons are tiny, and
>>> require higher-power reading glasses. You can see only one thing at a
>>> time, requiring one or more button pushes to change. I suppose this was
>>> relatively new technology in 1987, but it sucks badly.
>>
>> There's a lot of computer stuff from the 80's that we'd consider pretty
>> primitive today. Cadillac pretty much had the most advanced electronic
>> multi-function display dashboard of it's time. I inherited my 87 Seville
>> from my father-in-law when he passed away. It was pretty amazing
>> technology. I didn't even know they made FWD cars with V8s. It drove
>> ass-low because the gas bag suspension in the back had lost all it's
>> wind and the air pump went South.
>
> Friend has a 92 caddy with load-leveling shocks. Who needs shit like
> that? When they go bad they run all the time and wipe out the battery.
> He hoped to replace them with ordinary shocks, but they don't make them.
> I'm SOOO glad my mom's car (now mine) doesn't have those.
>
>> It was a super-duper neat car until
>> most everything broke. That's the breaks.
>
> This one can't lock the passenger door with the driver-side switch, and
> the passenger window makes gear-grinding noises at the very top and when
> it's open about 6 inches. I gave it a new radio, so maybe it won't break
> anything else. Although, come to think of it, the window problem started
> AFTER I got the radio...
>
That's one ungrateful car! My guess is that it's holding out for a new
paint job - and not one of those cheapie Maaco deals...
== 14 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 23 2011 10:24 pm
From: The Real Bev
On 01/23/11 18:42, dsi1 wrote:
> On 1/23/2011 4:06 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>> This one can't lock the passenger door with the driver-side switch, and
>> the passenger window makes gear-grinding noises at the very top and when
>> it's open about 6 inches. I gave it a new radio, so maybe it won't break
>> anything else. Although, come to think of it, the window problem started
>> AFTER I got the radio...
>
> That's one ungrateful car! My guess is that it's holding out for a new
> paint job - and not one of those cheapie Maaco deals...
NOOOO. Cars think that a paint job means they're going up for sale, and
the devil they know is better than the one they don't. If you give an
older car something expensive, it's absolutely guaranteed to break
something MORE expensive. Previous (1978) Caddy got some differential
repair (from an actual Caddy dealer, the shithead) and threw a rod
through the engine a few weeks later.
Besides, how could anybody want to cover up paint called Antelope Fire-Mist?
--
Cheers, Bev
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