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* Nissan Murano CVT - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Deceptive Car Names Investigated - 7 messages, 5 authors
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* Consumer Reports: No to Chevy SUV, Ford crossovers, MyFord Touch - 2
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TOPIC: Nissan Murano CVT
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.nissan/t/a158449dafa0ed07?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 3 2011 8:34 pm
From: "Jerry G."
On Dec 28 2010, 12:38 pm, IGot2P <d...@crsales.com> wrote:
> On 12/28/2010 12:24 AM, Jerry G. wrote:
>
>
>
> > I am curious to know... When at a light waiting for a few minutes, is
> > it harmful to put theCVTin toneutral?
>
When I am just coming to a light that I know will be a long one, I
like to put the vehicle in to neutral so I don't have to keep my foot
firmly on the break to stop it from rolling forward. Sometimes a light
can be a few minutes.
Sometimes the vehicle has been still rolling about 3 to 5 mph while I
am slipping it in to neutral and still gently applying the breaks to
reach the full stop.
I was curious to know if this would cause damage with a CVT.
I was told by one mechanic when driving along at let's say 30 mph or
so, with any automatic or CVT transmission, coasting it in neutral is
not good practice, and especially if the driver puts it back in to
Drive while still moving along. I would also like to verify if this is
true...
Jerry G.
> > Also, if approaching a stop, and if the vehicle is rolling at less
> > than maybe 5 mph, will it do damage to theCVTto put it in to
> >neutral?
>
> > Jerry G.
>
> I own a 2008 Maxima with aCVTand I suspect that I have put it inneutralunder many different situations (although I don't know why I
> would have) without doing any harm.
>
> OTOH, why would you want to put it inneutralat a stoplight even if you
> were there for several minutes? I have put it in "park" while waiting a
> long time at a car wash, butneutral?????
>
> Don
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 4 2011 5:48 am
From: codifus
On Jan 3, 11:34 pm, "Jerry G." <jerry...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 28 2010, 12:38 pm, IGot2P <d...@crsales.com> wrote:
>
> > On 12/28/2010 12:24 AM, Jerry G. wrote:
>
> > > I am curious to know... When at a light waiting for a few minutes, is
> > > it harmful to put theCVTin toneutral?
>
> When I am just coming to a light that I know will be a long one, I
> like to put the vehicle in to neutral so I don't have to keep my foot
> firmly on the break to stop it from rolling forward. Sometimes a light
> can be a few minutes.
>
> Sometimes the vehicle has been still rolling about 3 to 5 mph while I
> am slipping it in to neutral and still gently applying the breaks to
> reach the full stop.
>
> I was curious to know if this would cause damage with a CVT.
>
> I was told by one mechanic when driving along at let's say 30 mph or
> so, with any automatic or CVT transmission, coasting it in neutral is
> not good practice, and especially if the driver puts it back in to
> Drive while still moving along. I would also like to verify if this is
> true...
>
> Jerry G.
>
> > > Also, if approaching a stop, and if the vehicle is rolling at less
> > > than maybe 5 mph, will it do damage to theCVTto put it in to
> > >neutral?
>
> > > Jerry G.
>
> > I own a 2008 Maxima with aCVTand I suspect that I have put it inneutralunder many different situations (although I don't know why I
> > would have) without doing any harm.
>
> > OTOH, why would you want to put it inneutralat a stoplight even if you
> > were there for several minutes? I have put it in "park" while waiting a
> > long time at a car wash, butneutral?????
>
> > Don
That one mechanic who advised against neutral in CVTs and ordinary
automatics? Questionable. I've put regular automatic trannies in
neutral at 50 to 60 mph and re-engage often. The tranny smoothly
engeges the gears with no issues whatsoever. No massive thunk or
disconcertaing feeling at all. Putting a car in neutral is good for
the auto tranny because heat is the biggest enemy to the tranny fluid,
and the tranny fluid is the life blood of an automatic transmission.
When you leave the car in D while at stoplight the engine is sitting
there pushing against the tranny, warming up the fluid. Of course the
tranny fluid is not overheating, but it is getting warmer than if it
were in neutral. By putting the car in neutral you give the tranny a
chance to cool down because you;
1. remove the load from the engine, and
2. let the car idle a a slightly higher rpm which circulates more
coolant which cools everything down, including the tranny.
I suspect that CVTs are also vitally dependant on their tranny fluid
so they would want to reamin cool as well. At a stoplight I would put
a CVT in neurtal. At speed though, I can't really say.
To Bill (wilshak),
I used to hold the clutch as well while braked at a stoplight. Once I
changed my clutch and got a clearer understanding of whats' going on
inside, I changed my habit. When you have the clutch depressed, you
are engaging the throwout bearing, wearing it out. By putting your
manual tranny in neutral and letting go of the clutch and holding only
the brake, you are in the best position of least wear to your tranny.
It would suck to wear out your throw out bearing before the clutch has
worn out because replacing the clutch or the throwout bearing involves
open heart surgery to your tranny. I had a 5 speed maxima and my
thowout bearing got incredibly noisy. You could hear me engaging gears
from 100 feet away:) When the throw out bearing is worn, that gear
whining noise as you engage gear goes up significantly. The car kept
working but I knew I was on borrowed time and I eventually bit the
bullet and changed the clutch, replacing the throwout bearing as well.
CD
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TOPIC: Deceptive Car Names Investigated
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.nissan/t/d65ac75bdbab44ba?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 3 2011 1:13 pm
From: "DAS"
"Robert Higgins" <robert@nospam.bogus> wrote in message
news:chq3i61hv6tbk37brf4ud3828eq41titje@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:54:47 -0500, in rec.autos.driving Hachiroku
> ???? <Trueno@e86.GTS> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 16:42:07 -0800, Irwell wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 16:25:03 -0500, Hachiroku ???? wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 19:41:41 +0000, stellman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 01/01/2011 08:42 AM, sctvguy1 wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 16:19:00 -0400, Wes wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like "Land Cruiser", "Pickup Truck" and "Toyota Van"? I guess the
>>>>>>> really creative guys were off sick when they brain stormed those
>>>>>>> deeply meaningful monikers.... :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Land Cruiser was an old Studebaker name.
>>>>>
>>>>> your just larking around
>>>>
>>>> I tell ya, this guy's got eyes like a Hawk.
>>>
>>> Lada, lada, lada!
>>
>>
>>I think we'd be able to reach an accord here.
>
> All of Yugo to hell.
Isn't this becoming a bit of a Pantomime?
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 4 2011 4:16 am
From: "Rob"
"Isn't this becoming a bit of a Pantomime?"
some folks are making it an escalade!
"DAS" <nobody@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ifupud$5em$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> "Robert Higgins" <robert@nospam.bogus> wrote in message
> news:chq3i61hv6tbk37brf4ud3828eq41titje@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:54:47 -0500, in rec.autos.driving Hachiroku
>> ???? <Trueno@e86.GTS> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 16:42:07 -0800, Irwell wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 16:25:03 -0500, Hachiroku ???? wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 19:41:41 +0000, stellman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 01/01/2011 08:42 AM, sctvguy1 wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 16:19:00 -0400, Wes wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like "Land Cruiser", "Pickup Truck" and "Toyota Van"? I guess the
>>>>>>>> really creative guys were off sick when they brain stormed those
>>>>>>>> deeply meaningful monikers.... :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Land Cruiser was an old Studebaker name.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> your just larking around
>>>>>
>>>>> I tell ya, this guy's got eyes like a Hawk.
>>>>
>>>> Lada, lada, lada!
>>>
>>>
>>>I think we'd be able to reach an accord here.
>>
>> All of Yugo to hell.
>
> Isn't this becoming a bit of a Pantomime?
>
>
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 4 2011 5:43 am
From: willshak
Wes wrote the following:
> On 31/12/2010 4:00 PM, GM homepc wrote:
>> On 12/31/2010 12:10 PM, GM homepc wrote:
>>> On 12/30/2010 6:22 PM, Comments4u wrote:
>>>> Toyota uses seeming concocted and meaningless names such as Camry,
>>>> Celica,
>>>> Corolla, and Prius. But unknown to most, those words have meanings in
>>>> other languages. Camry, in Talagog, means "runaway car" and Celica, in
>>>> Swahili, means "wadded up floor mat jams accellerator".
>>> Corolla is the name given to the blossom of a flower. Tercel is a
>>> small hawk.
>> prius - Latin, meaning: before, formerely.
>>
>> The name "Camry" is an Anglicized
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglicisation> phonetic transcription of
>> the Japanese word /kanmuri/ (冠, かんむり), meaning crown
>>
>> Celica is ultimately derived from the Latin word coelica meaning
>> "heavenly" or "celestial"
>>
>>
>>
>> You have to admit, Toyota is very creative when it comes to naming their
>> cars.
>>
>>
>
> Like "Land Cruiser", "Pickup Truck" and "Toyota Van"? I guess the
> really creative guys were off sick when they brain stormed those
> deeply meaningful monikers.... :-)
Nissan's Pickup truck until 1998 was called Hardbody.
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 4 2011 3:30 pm
From: Hachiroku ハチロク
On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 07:16:52 -0500, Rob wrote:
> "Isn't this becoming a bit of a Pantomime?"
>
> some folks are making it an escalade!
I think this thread is starting to Avalanche...
>
>
> "DAS" <nobody@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:ifupud$5em$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> "Robert Higgins" <robert@nospam.bogus> wrote in message
>> news:chq3i61hv6tbk37brf4ud3828eq41titje@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:54:47 -0500, in rec.autos.driving Hachiroku ????
>>> <Trueno@e86.GTS> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 16:42:07 -0800, Irwell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 16:25:03 -0500, Hachiroku ???? wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 19:41:41 +0000, stellman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 01/01/2011 08:42 AM, sctvguy1 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 16:19:00 -0400, Wes wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Like "Land Cruiser", "Pickup Truck" and "Toyota Van"? I guess the
>>>>>>>>> really creative guys were off sick when they brain stormed those
>>>>>>>>> deeply meaningful monikers.... :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Land Cruiser was an old Studebaker name.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> your just larking around
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I tell ya, this guy's got eyes like a Hawk.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lada, lada, lada!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I think we'd be able to reach an accord here.
>>>
>>> All of Yugo to hell.
>>
>> Isn't this becoming a bit of a Pantomime?
>>
>>
>>
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 4 2011 6:18 pm
From: dr_jeff
On 12/31/10 10:26 AM, sctvguy1 wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:27:16 -0800, ChrisCoaster wrote:
>
> Yeah, what happened to "Model A/B" or "80", "60"(from the engine's HP).
So what? What is the horsepower that reaches the wheels?
The French Renault 2CV (which stands for horsepower) had more than 2 HP
- up to 33 HP. So much for names.
Jeff
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 4 2011 7:40 pm
From: "Rob"
just don't put Bridgestone's on your "Exploder"
"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@e86.GTS> wrote in message
news:i4OUo.20738$2G7.1259@newsfe13.iad...
> On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 07:16:52 -0500, Rob wrote:
>
>> "Isn't this becoming a bit of a Pantomime?"
>>
>> some folks are making it an escalade!
>
> I think this thread is starting to Avalanche...
>
>>
>>
>> "DAS" <nobody@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:ifupud$5em$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> "Robert Higgins" <robert@nospam.bogus> wrote in message
>>> news:chq3i61hv6tbk37brf4ud3828eq41titje@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:54:47 -0500, in rec.autos.driving Hachiroku ????
>>>> <Trueno@e86.GTS> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 16:42:07 -0800, Irwell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 16:25:03 -0500, Hachiroku ???? wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 19:41:41 +0000, stellman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 01/01/2011 08:42 AM, sctvguy1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 16:19:00 -0400, Wes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Like "Land Cruiser", "Pickup Truck" and "Toyota Van"? I guess the
>>>>>>>>>> really creative guys were off sick when they brain stormed those
>>>>>>>>>> deeply meaningful monikers.... :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Land Cruiser was an old Studebaker name.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> your just larking around
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I tell ya, this guy's got eyes like a Hawk.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lada, lada, lada!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I think we'd be able to reach an accord here.
>>>>
>>>> All of Yugo to hell.
>>>
>>> Isn't this becoming a bit of a Pantomime?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 4 2011 9:54 pm
From: Hachiroku ハチロク
On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 22:40:22 -0500, Rob wrote:
> just don't put Bridgestone's on your "Exploder"
Touche!
I am a Jap car fan, but I was working for a guy who sold Fords, and I came
to LOVE the Explorer. And I HATE SUVs!!!! It's just a nice, capable little
truck.
My band had a gig 80 miles from home, so I 'borrowed' one with a 5 speed
trans and 125,000 miles on it. We put my big bass amp in it, the guitar
player's amp, and the entire PA, and I got 27MPG average for the 160 mile
round trip.
>
>
> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@e86.GTS> wrote in message
> news:i4OUo.20738$2G7.1259@newsfe13.iad...
>> On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 07:16:52 -0500, Rob wrote:
>>
>>> "Isn't this becoming a bit of a Pantomime?"
>>>
>>> some folks are making it an escalade!
>>
>> I think this thread is starting to Avalanche...
>>
>>
>>>
>>> "DAS" <nobody@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:ifupud$5em$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> "Robert Higgins" <robert@nospam.bogus> wrote in message
>>>> news:chq3i61hv6tbk37brf4ud3828eq41titje@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:54:47 -0500, in rec.autos.driving Hachiroku
>>>>> ???? <Trueno@e86.GTS> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 16:42:07 -0800, Irwell wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 16:25:03 -0500, Hachiroku ???? wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 19:41:41 +0000, stellman wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 01/01/2011 08:42 AM, sctvguy1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 16:19:00 -0400, Wes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Like "Land Cruiser", "Pickup Truck" and "Toyota Van"? I guess
>>>>>>>>>>> the really creative guys were off sick when they brain stormed
>>>>>>>>>>> those deeply meaningful monikers.... :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Land Cruiser was an old Studebaker name.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> your just larking around
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I tell ya, this guy's got eyes like a Hawk.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lada, lada, lada!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think we'd be able to reach an accord here.
>>>>>
>>>>> All of Yugo to hell.
>>>>
>>>> Isn't this becoming a bit of a Pantomime?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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TOPIC: Consumer Reports: No to Chevy SUV, Ford crossovers, MyFord Touch
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.nissan/t/c904e51c1dd93e99?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 4 2011 10:48 am
From: "C. E. White"
Consumer Reports: No to Chevy SUV, Ford crossovers, MyFord Touch
Kuzak defends Ford's new technology
Jamie LaReau
Automotive News -- January 4, 2011 - 6:00 am ET
Consumer Reports magazine said today it will not recommend the Chevrolet
Tahoe SUV and Ford Edge and Lincoln MKX crossovers because of low scores in
the magazine's tests, and panned Ford Motor Co.'s MyFord Touch and MyLincoln
Touch technology.
The magazine also said it will not recommend the Infiniti QX56, a V-8
version of the Jeep Grand Cherokee and the Porsche Cayenne. Those SUVs
performed well in testing, but were too new for Consumer Reports to have
adequate reliability data to recommend, it said.
The Tahoe, Edge and MKX scored too low in testing to be recommended, the
magazine, published by Consumers Union, said in a press release.
"All three of these vehicles have a number of strengths, but each had some
notable weaknesses that forced their testing scores to fall below our
standard for a recommended SUV," said David Champion, senior director of
Consumer Reports' Auto Test Center in East Haddam, Conn.
Ford says more than 80 percent of Edge buyers are opting for MyFord Touch on
their vehicles. MyLincoln Touch is standard on the MKX.
The MKX and the Edge are the fastest selling products in their respective
showrooms, Derrick Kuzak, Ford group vice president of global product
development, said today.
Kuzak disagreed with Consumer Reports' review that the system is too
complicated and distracting. But he said Ford would meet with Consumer
Reports and consider tweaking the technology.
"All the controls are in people's hands and on the steering wheel, touch and
voice control. Nothing could be simpler or safer," Kuzak said.
"Having said that, we respect Consumer Reports. They're a very respected and
influential magazine and we'll work with them to understand their feedback
and work to improve it based on their feedback."
The publication said it only recommends vehicles that have "performed well
in its tests, have at least average predicted reliability based on Consumer
Reports' Annual Auto Survey of its more than seven million print and Web
subscribers, and performed at least adequately if crash-tested or included
in a government rollover test."
The full tests and rating for all the vehicles will appear in the February
issue of the magazine, which goes on sale today.
The reports also are available to subscribers of www.ConsumerReports.org.
MyFord failings
The magazine also gave a thumbs down to the MyFord Touch and MyLincoln Touch
technology available on the 2011 Edge and MKX.
A driver can use those control systems to operate the sound system, climate
controls and navigation system by means of either an 8-inch video touch
screen in the center console or voice commands.
Consumer Reports cited the technology as the main drawback to the Edge and
MKX. It said the technology is "a complicated distraction while driving. In
addition, first-time users might find it impossible to comprehend. The
system did not always perform as promised."
The Chevy Tahoe, in turn, was downgraded for its "ungainly" handling and
long stopping distances. Consumers Reports said the interior fit and finish
didn't match the Tahoe LTZ's high price of $57,435 as tested.
GM spokesman Patrick Morrissey declined comment, Bloomberg reported.
"Small percentage" of software woes
In early December, Ford acknowledged that a "small percentage" of vehicles
with the control system had software problems. Some problems were the result
of consumers not knowing how to perform certain functions. But in other
cases software flaws caused the Sirius Travel Link to function incorrectly.
Sirius Travel Link is part of the system's navigation system. It offers
sports scores, movie links and other information delivered by Sirius
satellite radio.
Read more:
http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110104/OEM/110109980
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 4 2011 12:11 pm
From: PeterD
On Tue, 4 Jan 2011 13:48:04 -0500, "C. E. White"
<cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Consumer Reports: No to Chevy SUV, Ford crossovers, MyFord Touch
>...
Consumer Reports has never been considered a very good evaluator of
vehicles. (or anything else, whatever they rate is excellent is never
available in stores for example...)
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