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TOPIC: Irwell is correct. Manual transmissions are best.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.nissan/t/9e13ce7644212876?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 7:13 pm
From: "Dick Cheney"
"Student Mechanic" <remailer@reece.net.au> wrote in message
news:3G0RY9WG40553.2774189815@reece.net.au...
> Let us take the case of driving on snow or ice. With a standard
> transmission & clutch AND FWD, the driver is able to "test" the
> available traction by momentarily "goosing" the throttle in the
> gear choosen.
I drove in Idaho for 34 years and this is completely wrong.
An automatic will prevent loss of traction in many cases,
especially when you try to use "engine braking" to slow down
on ice. It keeps your wheels from spinning when you are just
starting to move too. Overall, I would say an automatic is much
better than a manual on slick roads.
> Student Mechanic, age 17
You might turn out to be a good mechanic but some of your ideas
about driving and automatics and such went out the window decades
ago.
I do hope you become a good wrench, dealership shops and independents
alike need good people.
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 12 2011 5:28 am
From: Bjorn
On 12 Jan, 03:13, "Dick Cheney" <DickChe...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> "Student Mechanic" <remai...@reece.net.au> wrote in message
>
> news:3G0RY9WG40553.2774189815@reece.net.au...
>
> > Let us take the case of driving on snow or ice. With a standard
> > transmission & clutch AND FWD, the driver is able to "test" the
> > available traction by momentarily "goosing" the throttle in the
> > gear choosen.
>
> I drove in Idaho for 34 years and this is completely wrong.
> An automatic will prevent loss of traction in many cases,
> especially when you try to use "engine braking" to slow down
> on ice. It keeps your wheels from spinning when you are just
> starting to move too. Overall, I would say an automatic is much
> better than a manual on slick roads.
>
> > Student Mechanic, age 17
>
> You might turn out to be a good mechanic but some of your ideas
> about driving and automatics and such went out the window decades
> ago.
>
> I do hope you become a good wrench, dealership shops and independents
> alike need good people.
Driving on ice it is good to have ESP (Electronic Stability Program)
or under different name DSC (Dynamic Stability Control), VSA (Vehicle
Stability Assist) or VSC (Vehicle Stability Control)
It is coming more and more and even in small vehicles.
In big cars motor brakes are usually better than brakes on the wheels.
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 12 2011 6:44 am
From: "Ed Pawlowski"
?
"Bjorn" <gosinn@gmail.com> wrote
>
> Driving on ice it is good to have ESP (Electronic Stability Program)
> or under different name DSC (Dynamic Stability Control), VSA (Vehicle
> Stability Assist) or VSC (Vehicle Stability Control)
>
> It is coming more and more and even in small vehicles.
Mandatory on 2012 models so yes, you will see more of it.
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 12 2011 7:02 pm
From: "Sheldon"
"Bjorn" <gosinn@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On 12 Jan, 03:13, "Dick Cheney" <DickChe...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> "Student Mechanic" <remai...@reece.net.au> wrote in message
>
> news:3G0RY9WG40553.2774189815@reece.net.au...
>
> > Let us take the case of driving on snow or ice. With a standard
> > transmission & clutch AND FWD, the driver is able to "test" the
> > available traction by momentarily "goosing" the throttle in the
> > gear choosen.
>
> I drove in Idaho for 34 years and this is completely wrong.
> An automatic will prevent loss of traction in many cases,
> especially when you try to use "engine braking" to slow down
> on ice. It keeps your wheels from spinning when you are just
> starting to move too. Overall, I would say an automatic is much
> better than a manual on slick roads.
>
> > Student Mechanic, age 17
>
> You might turn out to be a good mechanic but some of your ideas
> about driving and automatics and such went out the window decades
> ago.
>
> I do hope you become a good wrench, dealership shops and independents
> alike need good people.
Driving on ice it is good to have ESP (Electronic Stability Program)
or under different name DSC (Dynamic Stability Control), VSA (Vehicle
Stability Assist) or VSC (Vehicle Stability Control)
How about using your brain instead of building a car that does everything
for you? My favorite is when your brakes automatically engage when you get
too close to what's in front of you. If you are that sleepy you shouldn't
be driving. Seriously, while many of these systems are a godsend to
drivers, you can't expect the car to correct all your stupid mistakes.
Hell, you don't even have to learn to parallel park anymore. It's very cool
technology, but...
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 12 2011 7:16 pm
From: "Ed Pawlowski"
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"Sheldon" <sheldon@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> wrote
>
> Driving on ice it is good to have ESP (Electronic Stability Program)
> or under different name DSC (Dynamic Stability Control), VSA (Vehicle
> Stability Assist) or VSC (Vehicle Stability Control)
>
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> How about using your brain instead of building a car that does everything
> for you? My favorite is when your brakes automatically engage when you
> get too close to what's in front of you. If you are that sleepy you
> shouldn't be driving. Seriously, while many of these systems are a
> godsend to drivers, you can't expect the car to correct all your stupid
> mistakes. Hell, you don't even have to learn to parallel park anymore.
> It's very cool technology, but...
No matter how good you are, it is possible to have a moment of distraction
or a circumstance beyond control. That is when ESC is nice to have.
Nothing is a substitute for using the brain, but stuff happens. I like to
have it there and hope I never need it.
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 12 2011 7:19 pm
From: clare@snyder.on.ca
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 20:02:09 -0700, "Sheldon"
<sheldon@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> wrote:
>
>"Bjorn" <gosinn@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:743a2b0e-c354-4d10-a4d4-5ff200f2b765@z9g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
>On 12 Jan, 03:13, "Dick Cheney" <DickChe...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> "Student Mechanic" <remai...@reece.net.au> wrote in message
>>
>> news:3G0RY9WG40553.2774189815@reece.net.au...
>>
>> > Let us take the case of driving on snow or ice. With a standard
>> > transmission & clutch AND FWD, the driver is able to "test" the
>> > available traction by momentarily "goosing" the throttle in the
>> > gear choosen.
>>
>> I drove in Idaho for 34 years and this is completely wrong.
>> An automatic will prevent loss of traction in many cases,
>> especially when you try to use "engine braking" to slow down
>> on ice. It keeps your wheels from spinning when you are just
>> starting to move too. Overall, I would say an automatic is much
>> better than a manual on slick roads.
>>
>> > Student Mechanic, age 17
>>
>> You might turn out to be a good mechanic but some of your ideas
>> about driving and automatics and such went out the window decades
>> ago.
>>
>> I do hope you become a good wrench, dealership shops and independents
>> alike need good people.
>
>Driving on ice it is good to have ESP (Electronic Stability Program)
>or under different name DSC (Dynamic Stability Control), VSA (Vehicle
>Stability Assist) or VSC (Vehicle Stability Control)
>
>How about using your brain instead of building a car that does everything
>for you? My favorite is when your brakes automatically engage when you get
>too close to what's in front of you. If you are that sleepy you shouldn't
>be driving. Seriously, while many of these systems are a godsend to
>drivers, you can't expect the car to correct all your stupid mistakes.
>Hell, you don't even have to learn to parallel park anymore. It's very cool
>technology, but...
>
I agree.With these high-tech cars the driver is just along for the
ride and the driver gets complacent (and stupid). If the system has a
problem, the driver is totally incapable of handling the vehicle, and
a minor issue becomes a major incident.
I have a car with all-speed traction control and antilock brakes, and
one with no "driver aids" at all. I prefer the "no aids" car.
I've driven all kinds of cars ranging drom a 1928 model up to current
- in all kinds of conditions from tropical/primitive to extreme
winter/major highway - and have also driven competetively.
I'll take the simple car for just about any driving.
I've also wrenched on the same range of cars - and I'll take the
simple ones for
maintainability/repairability/affordability/reliability as well.
I was almost litterally driving circles around most complex cars today
after a good snowfall with my simple PT Cruiser on snows.
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