Saturday, January 22, 2011

alt.autos - 5 new messages in 2 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Irwell is correct. Manual transmissions are best. - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos/t/9e13ce7644212876?hl=en
* Depreciation - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos/t/42605948e926b649?hl=en

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TOPIC: Irwell is correct. Manual transmissions are best.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos/t/9e13ce7644212876?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 11:41 am
From: Peter Hill


On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 02:45:01 -0800 (PST), Bjorn <gosinn@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On 19 Jan, 22:35, Peter Hill <peter.usen...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:48:25 -0700, "Sheldon"
>>
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>> <shel...@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> wrote:
>> >"Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snetnospam.net> wrote in message
>> >news:cIydnWxYdsVEUanQnZ2dnUVZ_uednZ2d@giganews.com...
>> >> ?
>> >> "hls" <h...@nospam.nix> wrote in message
>> >>news:HL6dnVIaYKmK5qnQnZ2dnUVZ5vydnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>> >>> "Bjorn" <gos...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:7fa5d28f-8467-41c9-
>>
>> >>> This system works really well and may be seen in ever more places as
>> >>> time goes by.
>> >>> ********
>> >>> Where, exactly, is such a system in current public use??
>>
>> >>> I have seen such concepts in semitechnical magazines (Like Popular
>> >>> Science) for years, but never saw one actually commercially and
>> >>> publicly deployed.
>>
>> >> I saw something recently where GM was building a section of road, maybe a
>> >> test track. �Of course, they were talking about this in 1965 too.
>> >> Construction is a bit slow, I guess.
>>
>> >I've seen experiments done on test tracks, and the system works extremely
>> >well. �I think the problem is how to wake up the driver when you get to the
>> >end of the wire, and how many cocktails have the occupants of the car had
>> >during the wired trip. �Seems to me you could easily place a wire in one
>> >lane of many interstate highways. �Your car follows the wire, and you
>> >disconnect when you get off the interstate.
>>
>> >All this said, I think this idea was scrapped with the advent of GPS. �I
>> >think very soon, you will see cars that can get from point A to point B
>> >without a driver. �Until then, it's still up to the nut behind the wheel to
>> >get the car from one place to another.
>>
>> http://www.car-addicts.com/videos/sartre-project
>>
>> Assholes.
>>
>> 1: They can only go as fast as the lead vehicle. As you see that will
>> be a truck. Dunno about USA but in EU trucks over 3,500Kg have lower
>> speed limits on all roads.
>>
>> 2: They are all nose to tail so on single carrigeways it won't ever be
>> possible to overtake the assholes road train.

>
>http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/fordon_motor/bilar/article3067585.ece
>http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20080707/154383/

No one is going to be converting my 200SX RS13U in to a train.

The driver up front has to drive for them all. So when he makes a
sudden exit from the M-way without indicating or decoupling from 2nd
car in line, they all follow him. That one would be really good at
some limited access junctions where it's miles to the next junction
they can all turn round at. Just make sure you have something adequate
to run away in.

Key in that destination is London but ignore the sat nav "Please do a
U turn..Please do a U turn..Please do a U turn." and take them all to
Barnsley!
--
Peter Hill
Spamtrap reply domain as per NNTP-Posting-Host in header
Can of worms - what every fisherman wants.
Can of worms - what every PC owner gets!


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 3:58 am
From: Bjorn


On 20 Jan, 19:41, Peter Hill <peter.usen...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 02:45:01 -0800 (PST), Bjorn <gos...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 19 Jan, 22:35, Peter Hill <peter.usen...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:48:25 -0700, "Sheldon"
>
> >> <shel...@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> wrote:
> >> >"Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snetnospam.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:cIydnWxYdsVEUanQnZ2dnUVZ_uednZ2d@giganews.com...
> >> >> ?
> >> >> "hls" <h...@nospam.nix> wrote in message
> >> >>news:HL6dnVIaYKmK5qnQnZ2dnUVZ5vydnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> >> >>> "Bjorn" <gos...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:7fa5d28f-8467-41c9-
>
> >> >>> This system works really well and may be seen in ever more places as
> >> >>> time goes by.
> >> >>> ********
> >> >>> Where, exactly, is such a system in current public use??
>
> >> >>> I have seen such concepts in semitechnical magazines (Like Popular
> >> >>> Science) for years, but never saw one actually commercially and
> >> >>> publicly deployed.
>
> >> >> I saw something recently where GM was building a section of road, maybe a
> >> >> test track. Of course, they were talking about this in 1965 too.
> >> >> Construction is a bit slow, I guess.
>
> >> >I've seen experiments done on test tracks, and the system works extremely
> >> >well. I think the problem is how to wake up the driver when you get to the
> >> >end of the wire, and how many cocktails have the occupants of the car had
> >> >during the wired trip. Seems to me you could easily place a wire in one
> >> >lane of many interstate highways. Your car follows the wire, and you
> >> >disconnect when you get off the interstate.
>
> >> >All this said, I think this idea was scrapped with the advent of GPS. I
> >> >think very soon, you will see cars that can get from point A to point B
> >> >without a driver. Until then, it's still up to the nut behind the wheel to
> >> >get the car from one place to another.
>
> >>http://www.car-addicts.com/videos/sartre-project
>
> >> Assholes.
>
> >> 1: They can only go as fast as the lead vehicle. As you see that will
> >> be a truck. Dunno about USA but in EU trucks over 3,500Kg have lower
> >> speed limits on all roads.
>
> >> 2: They are all nose to tail so on single carrigeways it won't ever be
> >> possible to overtake the assholes road train.
>
> >http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/fordon_motor/bilar/article3067585.ece
> >http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20080707/154383/
>
> No one is going to be converting my 200SX RS13U in to a train.
>
> The driver up front has to drive for them all. So when he makes a
> sudden exit from the M-way without indicating or decoupling from 2nd
> car in line, they all follow him. That one would be really good at
> some limited access junctions where it's miles to the next junction
> they can all turn round at. Just make sure you have something adequate
> to run away in.
>
> Key in that destination is London but ignore the sat nav "Please do a
> U turn..Please do a U turn..Please do a U turn." and take them all to
> Barnsley!
> --
> Peter Hill
> Spamtrap reply domain as per NNTP-Posting-Host in header
> Can of worms - what every fisherman wants.
> Can of worms - what every PC owner gets!

You do not tie the vehicles together.

Every vehicle has its own computer and uses the wire above to get
electricity and charges batteries while driving.

When there is a need to leave the grid the batteries are used.


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TOPIC: Depreciation
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos/t/42605948e926b649?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 11:21 am
From: BIGtitties


I doubt I'll own my 2010 Accent 4-door long enough to determine
longevity/depreciation.

I bought a new 2010 Accent two months ago, but, being old-school,
didn't think to look
for or ask about a TEMPERATURE GAUGE at time of purchase.

And the salesman didn't tell me about this missing instrument,
either. Since that day he's been hard to contact.

Intentional?

I'll probably never know.

But the absence of an in-dash analog gauge has made me uncomfortable,
and skeptical. Like what ELSE DOESN'T this motor vehicle have?


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 1:44 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


BIGtitties wrote:

> I doubt I'll own my 2010 Accent 4-door long
> enough to determine longevity/depreciation.

Your problem.

> I bought a new 2010 Accent two months ago, but, being old-school, didn't
> think to look for or ask about a TEMPERATURE GAUGE at time of purchase.

> And the salesman didn't tell me about this missing instrument,
> either. Since that day he's been hard to contact.

> Intentional?

Unlikely given that few modern cars have them.

> I'll probably never know.

> But the absence of an in-dash analog gauge has made me uncomfortable,

Then fit an after market analog temperature guage. Not a shred of rocket science whatever required.

> and skeptical. Like what ELSE DOESN'T this motor vehicle have?

It doesnt have a buggy whip, or reins, or helmets for the occupants either.


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