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* Test drive: 2011 Nissan Versa - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Irwell is correct. Manual transmissions are best. - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Consumer Reports: No to Chevy SUV, Ford crossovers, MyFord Touch - 3
messages, 3 authors
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TOPIC: Test drive: 2011 Nissan Versa
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.nissan/t/b22e441810c5dc99?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 9 2011 11:12 pm
From: sjmmail2000-247@yahoo.co.uk
We're heading into what I call bread-and-butter season -- the time when I test-drive some of the more ordinary cars on the market. This site gets a lot of traffic through Google search, and reviews of these mundane vehicles are a big part of what I do here. But regular blog readers like you tend to be car enthusiasts. Why should you care about something like the Versa -- a plain-vanilla econobox that hasn't changed much in five years? ... Read Full Post
Read More: http://cars.about.com/b/2011/01/10/test-drive-2011-nissan-versa.htm
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TOPIC: Irwell is correct. Manual transmissions are best.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.nissan/t/9e13ce7644212876?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 10 2011 6:29 am
From: "hls"
"Sheldon" <sheldon@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> wrote in message
> And with today's modern transmissions and exotic setups, there is no
> advantage to a manual transmission.
I mostly agree. The advantage to a common manual is that usually
it is cheaper to rebuild than an automatic, and it can be done in most
any little town by the local "Mike the mechanic".
I dont totally agree with using brakes only, particularly in the mountain
driving. I got into trouble doing that many years ago in Colorado,
heated my discs to red heat, had the fluid boiling in the calipers, etc
Scary... Ever since that I use even the automatic
in a lower gear and use brakes as needed. Wont work, of course, if
your auto is in a freewheeling mode. Mine are shiftable.
Early in my career, I worked for an oilfield service company in Houston
in the technical group. We towed large lab trailers all over the USA to
service certain projects. We started with a high performance Chevy
station wagon with standard shift. We blew several engines, trannies,
clutches, etc. Finally we bought a station wagon with a large V8 (no
high performance however) and a C6 tranny. We never had any problems
at all with that one. Replaced it with a Chrysler product of similar setup
and again had no problems. (Note: The problem originally was not the
Chevy...it was the hi-po engine and standard tranny).
Things are not always as they seem.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 10 2011 7:39 pm
From: "Ed Pawlowski"
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"hls" <hls@nospam.nix> wrote in message
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> "Sheldon" <sheldon@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> wrote in message
>> And with today's modern transmissions and exotic setups, there is no
>> advantage to a manual transmission.
>
> I mostly agree. The advantage to a common manual is that usually
> it is cheaper to rebuild than an automatic, and it can be done in most
> any little town by the local "Mike the mechanic".
> I dont totally agree with using brakes only, particularly in the mountain
> driving. I got into trouble doing that many years ago in Colorado,
> heated my discs to red heat, had the fluid boiling in the calipers, etc
> Scary...
Standard is more fun to drive with a sporty car on the back roads with some
twists and turns and ups and downs. Other than that, give me an automatic,
especially in traffic.
The brakes are cheaper mantra only goes so far. On a long steep grade, I'm
downshifting rather than rely on hot brakes. I've never had a mechanical
problem (engine or trans) from doing so, therefore I see no reason not to do
it.
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TOPIC: Consumer Reports: No to Chevy SUV, Ford crossovers, MyFord Touch
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.nissan/t/c904e51c1dd93e99?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 10 2011 12:23 pm
From: forbeswinslow@gmail.com
Fwd will work way better in snow then a RWD. FWD pulls you through snow
while RWD pushs you into. it. The biggest problem with RWD is generally the
rear of a vehicle isd lighter thus less traction.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 10 2011 7:34 pm
From: "Ed Pawlowski"
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<forbeswinslow@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Fwd will work way better in snow then a RWD. FWD pulls you through snow
> while RWD pushs you into. it. The biggest problem with RWD is generally
> the
> rear of a vehicle isd lighter thus less traction.
>
Don't bet on it. In some situations RWD will work better and I've seen a
video of a big Ford LTD go up a snow covered hill right past a FWD Taurus
that was slipping. Put a couple of concrete blocks in the trunk and the
differences get more in favor of the RWD.
I was told by a GM exec the main reason they went to FWD car is they can be
built for $50 less.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 10 2011 11:06 pm
From: Ashton Crusher
On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 22:34:00 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski"
<esp@snetnospam.net> wrote:
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><forbeswinslow@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:Xns9E697E1B1D42forbeswinslowcom@69.16.185.247...
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>> Fwd will work way better in snow then a RWD. FWD pulls you through snow
>> while RWD pushs you into. it. The biggest problem with RWD is generally
>> the
>> rear of a vehicle isd lighter thus less traction.
>>
>
>Don't bet on it. In some situations RWD will work better and I've seen a
>video of a big Ford LTD go up a snow covered hill right past a FWD Taurus
>that was slipping. Put a couple of concrete blocks in the trunk and the
>differences get more in favor of the RWD.
>
>I was told by a GM exec the main reason they went to FWD car is they can be
>built for $50 less.
I used to drive in snow all the time and always in large RWD cars with
V8. Never had a problem but I passed many people who did have
problems. The main thing you need to drive in snow is the skill to do
so, which certainly can be learned, as well as familiarity with what
you are driving. In some situations RWD is better and in some FWD is
better and in most all, 4x4 is better but it will still be controlled
a lot by the driver skill. Many drivers give up their FWD advantage
by driving stupider and/or faster.
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