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* Solar Chargers For Car Batteries - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Latest Mis-Leading Tundra Commercial - 12 messages, 8 authors
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TOPIC: Solar Chargers For Car Batteries
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos/t/c6f9d438c8f05a2b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 25 2009 7:34 pm
From: "Tiziano"
I ran into ads for such chargers here in the USA...
Do such chargers really work? For any kind of car? (I have a 2008 Honda
Civic LX)
Is there a reputable/neutral online site that shows test results and
compares features for these chargers?
Online searches only yield vendors of such devices...
--
tb
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TOPIC: Latest Mis-Leading Tundra Commercial
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos/t/e707915212a12b48?hl=en
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== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 26 2009 6:20 am
From: "C. E. White"
"M. Balmer" <boogerpicker@wazoo.net> wrote in message
news:3L8Em.75843$lR3.54130@newsfe25.iad...
> No, I think you are kidding. I see Dodges, Chevys and Fords with
> rusted frames (steel doesn't "rot) right here in AZ. My 98 Tacoma
> can run rings around any full sized Amerikan vehicle. It's been
> offroad every fucking week for 11 years and there's nothing rebuilt
> about the drive train and no rust either. American vehicles are
> good for hauling fat passengers and massive tonnages of cargo but
> utterly worthless offroad. They do not hold their value and quality
> is nonexistent.
Well I am not in Az. I am in NC and have a small farm. I know plenty
of big farmers with 20+ year old Ford that are still going strong. One
of my neighbors uses his to haul cattle trailers on a regular basis.
I've also seen him use it to pull a loaded fertilizer car around on a
plowed field (you should try that with your Tacoma). I kept my 1992
F150 for 14 years and it never gave me any significant trouble. It is
currently being used by the local water meter reader and seems to be
holding up just fine. I don't know how you define quality, but to me,
my old F150 was about as good as it gets.
Ed
== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 26 2009 6:45 am
From: "C. E. White"
"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:4ae1dc61$0$1650$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> M. Balmer wrote:
>> No, I think you are kidding. I see Dodges, Chevys and Fords with
>> rusted frames (steel doesn't "rot) right here in AZ. My 98 Tacoma
>> can run rings around any full sized Amerikan vehicle. It's been
>> offroad every fucking week for 11 years and there's nothing rebuilt
>> about the drive train and no rust either. American vehicles are
>> good for hauling fat passengers and massive tonnages of cargo but
>> utterly worthless offroad. They do not hold their value and quality
>> is nonexistent.
>
> The Tundra is a very popular truck for contractors. It's expensive,
> but it's much tougher than the trucks from Ford like the F150, and
> they last for a very long time. The F150 is more for the weekend
> warrior that needs to occasionally tow a boat, or pick up a load of
> stuff from Home Depot. They were popular car replacements for a long
> time, but they really can't be considered "work trucks."
Come on, this is total BS. It is almost the exact opposite of reality.
I'll bet 80+% plus Tundras are sold to people who never haul or tow
anything more significant than a load of potting soil form Home Depot.
Most serious contractors/famrer go for F250s ,or Silverado HDs. I use
my F150 on my farm and it does jsut fine. I considered an F250, but
the F150 jsut seemed to suit me better. If I was goign to tow a 20 ft
cattle weekly, then I'd probably have gone for the F250 (or 350), but
I only tow something heavy a few times a year, so I decided to go for
the F150 (queiter, better ride). I do regulalrly carry pallet loads of
seed in my truck (2500#) and it handles that just fine. I know one
farmer in my area that owns a Tundra...but for real work he pulls out
his F250. The Tundra is his ride around truck. The local Toyota dealer
was practically giving them away and he couldn't resist.
As for toughness, have you looked under a Tundra? Try it and then look
under an F250. The Tundra frame is so whimpy the bed shakes like a
bowl of jello if you leave the tailgate open.
Go to http://www.fordvehicles.com/2009f150/ and look at the durability
test. I know this is a Ford produces advertising film, so I don't
doubt it is biased, but there are enough complaints from Tundra owners
that I am sure it is a problem and there are aftermarket fixes you can
buy, so it must be a significant problem.
Ed
== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 26 2009 6:59 am
From: "JoeSpareBedroom"
"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:hc498o$cpn$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
> news:4ae1dc61$0$1650$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
>> M. Balmer wrote:
>>> No, I think you are kidding. I see Dodges, Chevys and Fords with rusted
>>> frames (steel doesn't "rot) right here in AZ. My 98 Tacoma can run
>>> rings around any full sized Amerikan vehicle. It's been offroad every
>>> fucking week for 11 years and there's nothing rebuilt about the drive
>>> train and no rust either. American vehicles are good for hauling fat
>>> passengers and massive tonnages of cargo but utterly worthless offroad.
>>> They do not hold their value and quality is nonexistent.
>>
>> The Tundra is a very popular truck for contractors. It's expensive, but
>> it's much tougher than the trucks from Ford like the F150, and they last
>> for a very long time. The F150 is more for the weekend warrior that needs
>> to occasionally tow a boat, or pick up a load of stuff from Home Depot.
>> They were popular car replacements for a long time, but they really can't
>> be considered "work trucks."
>
> Come on, this is total BS. It is almost the exact opposite of reality.
The words you just typed suggest that you're sure of your claim.
> I'll bet 80+% plus Tundras are sold to people who never haul or tow
> anything more significant than a load of potting soil form Home Depot.
But these words say the opposite: You're guessing, wishing or hoping. Maybe
***SOMEONE*** has this information, but you do not, and neither does anyone
else in this discussion, including me.
> Most serious contractors/famrer go for F250s ,or Silverado HDs.
See above. You have no data to back this up, except for what you've seen
with your own eyes, and that's just not enough data, unless you failed
statistics in college. The only people who **MIGHT** have this information
would be the salespeople who sell trucks, assuming they were professional
enough to qualify their customers by asking how they intended to use their
trucks. But since most car salesman are slobs, even this is a stretch.
== 4 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 26 2009 8:25 am
From: Big Endian <5a6@hex.com.invalid>
In article <hc498o$cpn$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
> "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
> news:4ae1dc61$0$1650$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> > M. Balmer wrote:
> >> No, I think you are kidding. I see Dodges, Chevys and Fords with
> >> rusted frames (steel doesn't "rot) right here in AZ. My 98 Tacoma
> >> can run rings around any full sized Amerikan vehicle. It's been
> >> offroad every fucking week for 11 years and there's nothing rebuilt
> >> about the drive train and no rust either. American vehicles are
> >> good for hauling fat passengers and massive tonnages of cargo but
> >> utterly worthless offroad. They do not hold their value and quality
> >> is nonexistent.
> >
> > The Tundra is a very popular truck for contractors. It's expensive,
> > but it's much tougher than the trucks from Ford like the F150, and
> > they last for a very long time. The F150 is more for the weekend
> > warrior that needs to occasionally tow a boat, or pick up a load of
> > stuff from Home Depot. They were popular car replacements for a long
> > time, but they really can't be considered "work trucks."
>
> Come on, this is total BS. It is almost the exact opposite of reality.
> I'll bet 80+% plus Tundras are sold to people who never haul or tow
> anything more significant than a load of potting soil form Home Depot.
> Most serious contractors/famrer go for F250s ,or Silverado HDs. I use
> my F150 on my farm and it does jsut fine. I considered an F250, but
> the F150 jsut seemed to suit me better. If I was goign to tow a 20 ft
> cattle weekly, then I'd probably have gone for the F250 (or 350), but
> I only tow something heavy a few times a year, so I decided to go for
> the F150 (queiter, better ride). I do regulalrly carry pallet loads of
> seed in my truck (2500#) and it handles that just fine. I know one
> farmer in my area that owns a Tundra...but for real work he pulls out
> his F250. The Tundra is his ride around truck. The local Toyota dealer
> was practically giving them away and he couldn't resist.
>
> As for toughness, have you looked under a Tundra? Try it and then look
> under an F250. The Tundra frame is so whimpy the bed shakes like a
> bowl of jello if you leave the tailgate open.
>
> Go to http://www.fordvehicles.com/2009f150/ and look at the durability
> test. I know this is a Ford produces advertising film, so I don't
> doubt it is biased, but there are enough complaints from Tundra owners
> that I am sure it is a problem and there are aftermarket fixes you can
> buy, so it must be a significant problem.
>
> Ed
the tundra is for urban cowboys. F-series is for real work.
== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 26 2009 9:00 am
From: Sir F. A. Rien
"JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash@frontiernet.net> found these unused words:
>"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:hc498o$cpn$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>>
>> "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4ae1dc61$0$1650$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
>>> M. Balmer wrote:
>>>> No, I think you are kidding. I see Dodges, Chevys and Fords with rusted
>>>> frames (steel doesn't "rot) right here in AZ. My 98 Tacoma can run
>>>> rings around any full sized Amerikan vehicle. It's been offroad every
>>>> fucking week for 11 years and there's nothing rebuilt about the drive
>>>> train and no rust either. American vehicles are good for hauling fat
>>>> passengers and massive tonnages of cargo but utterly worthless offroad
>>>> They do not hold their value and quality is nonexistent.
>>>
>>> The Tundra is a very popular truck for contractors. It's expensive, but
>>> it's much tougher than the trucks from Ford like the F150, and they last
>>> for a very long time. The F150 is more for the weekend warrior that needs
>>> to occasionally tow a boat, or pick up a load of stuff from Home Depot.
>>> They were popular car replacements for a long time, but they really can't
>>> be considered "work trucks."
>>
>> Come on, this is total BS. It is almost the exact opposite of reality.
>
>The words you just typed suggest that you're sure of your claim.
>
>
>> I'll bet 80+% plus Tundras are sold to people who never haul or tow
>> anything more significant than a load of potting soil form Home Depot.
>
>But these words say the opposite: You're guessing, wishing or hoping. Maybe
>***SOMEONE*** has this information, but you do not, and neither does anyone
>else in this discussion, including me.
>
>
>> Most serious contractors/famrer go for F250s ,or Silverado HDs.
>
>See above. You have no data to back this up, except for what you've seen
>with your own eyes, and that's just not enough data, unless you failed
>statistics in college. The only people who **MIGHT** have this information
>would be the salespeople who sell trucks, assuming they were professional
>enough to qualify their customers by asking how they intended to use their
>trucks. But since most car salesman are slobs, even this is a stretch.
>
"monthly sales figures announced by the manufacturers aggregate sales of
light- and heavy-duty pickups but some news outlets incorrectly report the
F-150 as the best-selling vehicle (and pickup) when they are really
reporting total F-Series sales." [pickuptrucks.com]
AFAIK, only J.D.Powers -=breaks out=- truck sales by category, light, medium
and heavy.
DETROIT (AP) — General Motors' (GM) U.S. sales plunged 21.3% in June and
Ford (F) dropped 8.1% while Toyota (TM) reported a 10.2% sales surge
compared with a year ago.
Light-truck sales were up 11.9%, led by the redesigned Tundra full-size
pickup.
"Tundra really hit its stride this month, posting a record sales pace," Jim
Lentz, executive vice president of Toyota's U.S. division, said in a
statement. "In a short five months, the new truck's earned its stripes with
both loyal Toyota owners and those new to the brand."
[July 2009]
== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 26 2009 9:09 am
From: SMS
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> But these words say the opposite: You're guessing, wishing or hoping. Maybe
> ***SOMEONE*** has this information, but you do not, and neither does anyone
> else in this discussion, including me.
You're right. Empirical evidence doesn't really prove anything. In my
area the Tundra is an extremely popular truck for contractors, while the
F150 is more for the person that wants a truck to use as a personal vehicle
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