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* What percentage of 20 year old cars are on the road? - 9 messages, 7 authors
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* '98 Frontier cranks but won't start. - 3 messages, 2 authors
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TOPIC: What percentage of 20 year old cars are on the road?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.nissan/t/7483cc33ad80a6fb?hl=en
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 28 2009 10:05 pm
From: "mark hoffman"
Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
> C. E. White wrote:
>> A Toyota commercial they are running in my area claims that 80% of
>> all Toyota sold in the last 20 years are still on the road.
>
> And I personally own about half of them...
I have driven my 98 Toyota Avalon more this week, than my almost new 09 Kia.
But the Kia is probably going on a road trip to SC in November.
The Avalon, I just bought last Saturday... hopped in it, and proceeded to
drive it 30 some odd miles from SE OK to SW AR where I live. Stereo, cruise,
a/c all work, and its only got 163,000 miles on it.
Its status will be a daily driver/errand runner to keep miles off the new
Kia.
== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 29 2009 5:31 am
From: Jules
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:37:57 -0600, Vic Smith wrote:
> I'm a Chevy fan, but I buy used and know what I'm getting.
> Spend very little per mile driven.
> I'm sure the same can be done with Fords, but I don't know them.
> But if I were to buy new, I might go for a Toyota or Honda.
> Probably feel more secure about getting good engineering and a company
> that stands behind their cars, and also because the Chevys are
> foreign-built. I don't like sending money over the border.
If you always buy used it's not sending money over the border, regardless
of what you get - or at least that's how I look at it.
== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 29 2009 5:46 am
From: Jules
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:05:57 -0500, mark hoffman wrote:
> The Avalon, I just bought last Saturday... hopped in it, and proceeded to
> drive it 30 some odd miles from SE OK to SW AR where I live. Stereo, cruise,
> a/c all work, and its only got 163,000 miles on it.
That's about the mileage and age of my wife's (the one with the odd
vibration issue, if you're picking this up on rec.autos.tech).
Other than the vibration fault it's got a few other issues, but nothing
major - although the timing belt's up for renewal and I may as well do the
water pump while I'm at it. As it's still on the original alternator /
battery / exhaust I wouldn't be surprised if they don't need replacing in
the next few years.
I'm (surprisingly) impressed with it. I don't normally have much time for
vehicles newer than the 1970s - generally I've found newer stuff to be no
more reliable (assuming the older stuff's well-maintained) and an
expensive PITA to fix when it does break. Given the Winters and some of
the bad roads up here in northern MN (and that the wife puts 100 miles a
day on it) it's doing really well.
cheers
Jules
== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 29 2009 7:51 am
From: Steve
Tegger wrote:
> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in news:4ae70c7c$1
> @kcnews01:
>
>> A Toyota commercial they are running in my area claims that 80% of all
>> Toyota sold in the last 20 years are still on the road. This seemed to
>> be a very low number to me. What do other think?
>>
>
>
> I guess it depends where you live. In my area (the Rust Belt of north-
> eastern North America), Toyota's number seems impossibly high, unless that
> missing 20% is all concentrated up here.
>
Well, there to a first approximation there are about as many Toyotas in
the junkyards I prowl for parts here in Texas as there are any other
brand. And this sure isn't the rust belt....
== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 29 2009 12:19 pm
From: SMS
N8N wrote:
> VW's may have occasional niggling issues that other cars don't, but
> they last. And last. And last. Until the body rusts apart, which
> actually takes quite a long time, an A1 or A2 chassis VW will hardly
> ever have something break that is major enough to make you consider
> getting rid of it. They're also quite pleasant to drive, feel much
> more solid and yet sporty than other similar products from other
> mfgrs.
Yeah, I owned three VWs in the past. The problem was that the niggling
issues were often more than "occasional," and sometimes hard to
diagnose. OTOH they have very robust engines, the bodies don't easily
rust, the paint is magnitudes better than what you get on a Honda, and
replacement parts are widely available because so many of the parts are
standard across platforms, across the world. Plus they handle better
than the typical Toyota, Honda, or big 3 vehicle of the same size.
In my area, Toyota runs an automotive technology program at a local
college and turns out copious numbers of well-trained (and continually
trained) mechanics. Difficult to diagnose problems that result in
needless swapping of expensive components are rare if you have a well
trained mechanic.
== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 29 2009 5:22 pm
From: clare@snyder.on.ca
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:51:25 -0500, Steve <no@spam.thanks> wrote:
>Tegger wrote:
>> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in news:4ae70c7c$1
>> @kcnews01:
>>
>>> A Toyota commercial they are running in my area claims that 80% of all
>>> Toyota sold in the last 20 years are still on the road. This seemed to
>>> be a very low number to me. What do other think?
>>>
>>
>>
>> I guess it depends where you live. In my area (the Rust Belt of north-
>> eastern North America), Toyota's number seems impossibly high, unless that
>> missing 20% is all concentrated up here.
>>
>
>Well, there to a first approximation there are about as many Toyotas in
>the junkyards I prowl for parts here in Texas as there are any other
>brand. And this sure isn't the rust belt....
Up here in the rust belt I don't see many. Funny.
== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 29 2009 6:34 pm
From: Tegger
clare@snyder.on.ca wrote in
news:qccke51mb1b9q7e9evahb4l5sdsd3cviaf@4ax.com:
> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:51:25 -0500, Steve <no@spam.thanks> wrote:
>
>>Tegger wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I guess it depends where you live. In my area (the Rust Belt of
>>> north-eastern North America), Toyota's number seems impossibly
>>> high, unless that missing 20% is all concentrated up here.
>>>
>>
>>Well, there to a first approximation there are about as many Toyotas
>>in the junkyards I prowl for parts here in Texas as there are any
>>other brand. And this sure isn't the rust belt....
>
>
> Up here in the rust belt I don't see many. Funny.
>
I don't know what wrecking yards you frequent, but my observation is
identical to Steve's. Except that American makes are more prevalent in
wrecking yards simply due to larger new-car sales.
--
Tegger
== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 29 2009 7:02 pm
From: "Dave"
"Hachiroku ハチロク" <Trueno@e86.GTS> wrote in message
news:hc7ooj$8am$2@news.eternal-september.org...
> C. E. White wrote:
>> A Toyota commercial they are running in my area claims that 80% of all
>> Toyota sold in the last 20 years are still on the road.
>
> And I personally own about half of them...
Highly unlikely..
== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 29 2009 7:13 pm
From: "Dave"
"Vic Smith" <thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:o0vhe5hjrr57i7ek09gj6fbra5pvbu94fb@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:32:38 -0400, "C. E. White"
> <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>
>
>>
>>> The problem I see is that those rankings don't list the actual
>>> percentages. They could be closely grouped together. No one argues that
>>> Toyotas and Hondas have greater longevity and reliability than Fords or
>>> Chevys, the debate is over how much greater longevity and how much
>>> greater
>>> reliability.
>>
>>This is a ridiculous claim. If you said, "I believe" Toyota and Hondas
>>have
>>greater reliability, then I coudn't argue about what you believe. If you
>>said many people believe that Toyotas and Hondas have greater reliability
>>that Fords and Chevies, then I'd actually agree with you. But I certainly
>>can argue about the corretness of this belief. It is my personal experince
>>that Toyotas and particualrly Hondas, are not as durable as American cars.
>
> You have to specify a model/engine.
> What Toyota and Honda have done is concentrate on putting quality and
> engineering in what they want to sell.
> The domestic brands seldom do that.
> That's why Camry/Corolla/Accord/Civic have done well.
> Although I believe the general public holds onto certain myths,
> there's a basis in the Toyota/Honda myths.
> With domestics you have to pick well, and if you're a new car buyer
> hope it works out.
> I'm a Chevy fan, but I buy used and know what I'm getting.
> Spend very little per mile driven.
> I'm sure the same can be done with Fords, but I don't know them.
> But if I were to buy new, I might go for a Toyota or Honda.
> Probably feel more secure about getting good engineering and a company
> that stands behind their cars, and also because the Chevys are
> foreign-built. I don't like sending money over the border.
>
Foreign built or foreign owned, either way money is going across the
border.
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TOPIC: '98 Frontier cranks but won't start.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.nissan/t/53872f508231fe36?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 29 2009 5:08 am
From: Michael
On Oct 28, 7:26 pm, al <abuo...@msn.com> wrote:
> I'd expect that simple ignition testers would be available in most
> auto parts stores. Some are designed to be inserted in the wire to
> the spark plug. One end is a short length of spark plug wire that
> connects to the spark plug and the car's spark plug wire connects to
> the other end of the tester. A light flashes if voltage is detected
> while the engine is running. Another type is the inductive style
> which is cigar shaped and is placed very close to a high tension
> ignition wire and lights an internal light if it detects voltage.
> They can be useful diagnostic tools. Good luck. Al
Ok thanks Al!
Michael
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 29 2009 1:47 pm
From: "Striker"
Forget the Hayes Manual......
http://www.nicoclub.com/FSM/frontier/1998/
Striker
"Michael" <mrdarrett@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Coil primary and secondary resistances are good.
>
> Spark test (took out one spark plug and put it on a metal surface)
> gave no spark on cranking.
>
> Transistor appears to be infinite resistance, is that bad? Haynes
> said if it's shorted it's bad. Well it's not shorted, that I could
> tell...
>
> Where is the ignition resistor exactly? Couldn't find it from the
> drawing in the Haynes manual.
>
> Anyone have this problem? Or insights?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 29 2009 7:58 pm
From: Michael
On Oct 29, 12:47 pm, "Striker" <oll...@copper.net> wrote:
> Forget the Hayes Manual......
>
> http://www.nicoclub.com/FSM/frontier/1998/
>
> Striker
>
> "Michael" <mrdarr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:fb081fe9-c5a4-43a7-b54e-ecf4d3a83e62@m7g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Coil primary and secondary resistances are good.
>
> > Spark test (took out one spark plug and put it on a metal surface)
> > gave no spark on cranking.
>
> > Transistor appears to be infinite resistance, is that bad? Haynes
> > said if it's shorted it's bad. Well it's not shorted, that I could
> > tell...
>
> > Where is the ignition resistor exactly? Couldn't find it from the
> > drawing in the Haynes manual.
>
> > Anyone have this problem? Or insights?
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > Michael
Wow thanks!
Michael
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