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TOPIC: '98 Frontier cranks but won't start.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 29 2009 7:58 pm
From: Michael
On Oct 29, 12:47 pm, "Striker" <oll...@copper.net> wrote:
> Forget the Hayes Manual......
>
> http://www.nicoclub.com/FSM/frontier/1998/
>
> Striker
>
> "Michael" <mrdarr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:fb081fe9-c5a4-43a7-b54e-ecf4d3a83e62@m7g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Coil primary and secondary resistances are good.
>
> > Spark test (took out one spark plug and put it on a metal surface)
> > gave no spark on cranking.
>
> > Transistor appears to be infinite resistance, is that bad? Haynes
> > said if it's shorted it's bad. Well it's not shorted, that I could
> > tell...
>
> > Where is the ignition resistor exactly? Couldn't find it from the
> > drawing in the Haynes manual.
>
> > Anyone have this problem? Or insights?
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > Michael
Wow thanks!
Michael
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 9:49 pm
From: Michael
On Oct 28, 8:26 pm, al <abuo...@msn.com> wrote:
> On Oct 28, 12:39 am, Michael <mrdarr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 27, 7:27 pm, al <abuo...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 27, 10:24 pm, Michael <mrdarr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Oct 27, 2:27 pm, al <abuo...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Oct 27, 2:06 pm, Michael <mrdarr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Coil primary and secondary resistances are good.
>
> > > > > > Spark test (took out one spark plug and put it on a metal surface)
> > > > > > gave no spark on cranking.
>
> > > > > > Transistor appears to be infinite resistance, is that bad? Haynes
> > > > > > said if it's shorted it's bad. Well it's not shorted, that I could
> > > > > > tell...
>
> > > > > > Where is the ignition resistor exactly? Couldn't find it from the
> > > > > > drawing in the Haynes manual.
>
> > > > > > Anyone have this problem? Or insights?
>
> > > > > > Thanks,
>
> > > > > > Michael
>
> > > > > First thing to look at is the distributor cap and rotor. Even if both
> > > > > seem OK it would be worth taking a fine grit emery paper to all the
> > > > > distributor cap contacts as well as the rotor. Shining a light bulb
> > > > > inside the distributor cap in a dark room can sometimes locate a
> > > > > hairline crack in the cap. Of course, you'll want to clean both ends
> > > > > of the central high tension wire too. Good luck. Al
>
> > > > Sounds good but I'm trying to understand how any dirt on the contacts
> > > > could cause problems. They don't touch, right? Something about a
> > > > Hall effect sensor?
>
> > > > Is there a practical way I could tap into the central high tension
> > > > wire to see if there's a high voltage present?
>
> > > > Thanks,
>
> > > > Michael- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > It's not dirt that causes loss of conductivity between the distributor
> > > cap terminals and the rotor surface. It is corrosion that is induced
> > > by the 25000-50000 volts that passes between those surfaces. After a
> > > few tens of thousands of miles the distributor cap terminals take on a
> > > pale blistered look that can impede conductivity. Filing/sanding away
> > > that blistered surface coating and restoring bright metal will restore
> > > reliable contact. The inductive ignition testers (i.e. the pencil
> > > type which are placed very close to the high tension wire and
> > > illuminate a light when high voltage passes through the wire) will
> > > often light/blink even when applied to the central high tension wire
> > > while just cranking the engine. Try it on a car that's working to
> > > determine if the tester you have is sensitive enough to detect high
> > > voltage in the wire while cranking. Good luck. Al
>
> > Ah ok. Where do you get the inductive type of ignition testers?
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > Michael- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I'd expect that simple ignition testers would be available in most
> auto parts stores. Some are designed to be inserted in the wire to
> the spark plug. One end is a short length of spark plug wire that
> connects to the spark plug and the car's spark plug wire connects to
> the other end of the tester. A light flashes if voltage is detected
> while the engine is running. Another type is the inductive style
> which is cigar shaped and is placed very close to a high tension
> ignition wire and lights an internal light if it detects voltage.
> They can be useful diagnostic tools. Good luck. Al
I did your emery board trick... lots of white stuff flaked off, but
still no go.
I got an ignition tester from AutoZone ($7). Crude thing, pretty much
just an adjustable screw where you're supposed to look for a spark.
(!) I thought there was a removable central high voltage wire outside
but it's under the cap, where a spring is. Removed the distributor
cap, removed the spring, placed the ignition tester in position,
strung an alligator-clip wire to ground, cranked dad's truck. Dad
said no spark. Darn. Well I guess that $7 saved me from buying a new
cap and rotor...
Oh yeah I got some OBD2 codes now too: P0505, P1490, P0446, P1105.
They all seem to be pointing to a computer failure of some sort. I
sure hope it doesn't come to that. I'll try and test for a signal to
the distributor using Striker's links. Otherwise this might be a job
for a pro...
Thanks y'all,
Michael
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TOPIC: What percentage of 20 year old cars are on the road?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.nissan/t/7483cc33ad80a6fb?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 1:45 am
From: Vic Smith
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:13:42 -0500, "Dave" <hairy411@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
>"Vic Smith" <thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:o0vhe5hjrr57i7ek09gj6fbra5pvbu94fb@4ax.com...
>> Probably feel more secure about getting good engineering and a company
>> that stands behind their cars, and also because the Chevys are
>> foreign-built. I don't like sending money over the border.
>>
> Foreign built or foreign owned, either way money is going across the
>border.
I was just guessing that the workers putting the cars together within
our borders are getting paid for doing that.
And that they spend some of their wages locally, providing even more
work.
Could be wrong though. Maybe having the middlemen just import a ready
made product from a foreign country is better for the economy.
That's what they say on Wall street I think.
Pretty smart guys there.
--Vic
== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 11:22 am
From: SMS
Dave wrote:
> Foreign built or foreign owned, either way money is going across the
> border.
It's very very different.
U.S. built vehicles made with high domestic content contribute a huge
amount of money to the U.S. economy, even if the stockholders of the
company are mostly outside the U.S.. Many of those vehicles are also
designed in the U.S..
== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 1:36 pm
From: clare@snyder.on.ca
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:34:52 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv>
wrote:
>clare@snyder.on.ca wrote in
>news:qccke51mb1b9q7e9evahb4l5sdsd3cviaf@4ax.com:
>
>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:51:25 -0500, Steve <no@spam.thanks> wrote:
>>
>>>Tegger wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I guess it depends where you live. In my area (the Rust Belt of
>>>> north-eastern North America), Toyota's number seems impossibly
>>>> high, unless that missing 20% is all concentrated up here.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Well, there to a first approximation there are about as many Toyotas
>>>in the junkyards I prowl for parts here in Texas as there are any
>>>other brand. And this sure isn't the rust belt....
>>
>>
>
>> Up here in the rust belt I don't see many. Funny.
>>
>
>
>I don't know what wrecking yards you frequent, but my observation is
>identical to Steve's. Except that American makes are more prevalent in
>wrecking yards simply due to larger new-car sales.
>
The yards I frequent around Kitchener/Waterloo have lots of older
Hondas, and not so old Kias and Hyundais, along with PILES of GMs. a
few odd Chrysler and Fords. Very few Toyotas
Ford Escorts and Contour/Mystiques are getting more scarce - and the
contour/mystiques are generally going straight to the crusher.. Makes
it hard for me to find parts for mine.
== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 1:38 pm
From: clare@snyder.on.ca
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:13:42 -0500, "Dave" <hairy411@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
>"Vic Smith" <thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:o0vhe5hjrr57i7ek09gj6fbra5pvbu94fb@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:32:38 -0400, "C. E. White"
>> <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>>> The problem I see is that those rankings don't list the actual
>>>> percentages. They could be closely grouped together. No one argues that
>>>> Toyotas and Hondas have greater longevity and reliability than Fords or
>>>> Chevys, the debate is over how much greater longevity and how much
>>>> greater
>>>> reliability.
>>>
>>>This is a ridiculous claim. If you said, "I believe" Toyota and Hondas
>>>have
>>>greater reliability, then I coudn't argue about what you believe. If you
>>>said many people believe that Toyotas and Hondas have greater reliability
>>>that Fords and Chevies, then I'd actually agree with you. But I certainly
>>>can argue about the corretness of this belief. It is my personal experince
>>>that Toyotas and particualrly Hondas, are not as durable as American cars.
>>
>> You have to specify a model/engine.
>> What Toyota and Honda have done is concentrate on putting quality and
>> engineering in what they want to sell.
>> The domestic brands seldom do that.
>> That's why Camry/Corolla/Accord/Civic have done well.
>> Although I believe the general public holds onto certain myths,
>> there's a basis in the Toyota/Honda myths.
>> With domestics you have to pick well, and if you're a new car buyer
>> hope it works out.
>> I'm a Chevy fan, but I buy used and know what I'm getting.
>> Spend very little per mile driven.
>> I'm sure the same can be done with Fords, but I don't know them.
>> But if I were to buy new, I might go for a Toyota or Honda.
>> Probably feel more secure about getting good engineering and a company
>> that stands behind their cars, and also because the Chevys are
>> foreign-built. I don't like sending money over the border.
>>
> Foreign built or foreign owned, either way money is going across the
>border.
Only if you are buying your USED Chevies from across the border
yourself. The manufacturer only gets paid for them ONCE.
== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 1:38 pm
From: clare@snyder.on.ca
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:45:34 -0600, Vic Smith
<thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote:
>On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:13:42 -0500, "Dave" <hairy411@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"Vic Smith" <thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:o0vhe5hjrr57i7ek09gj6fbra5pvbu94fb@4ax.com...
>
>>> Probably feel more secure about getting good engineering and a company
>>> that stands behind their cars, and also because the Chevys are
>>> foreign-built. I don't like sending money over the border.
>>>
>> Foreign built or foreign owned, either way money is going across the
>>border.
>
>I was just guessing that the workers putting the cars together within
>our borders are getting paid for doing that.
>And that they spend some of their wages locally, providing even more
>work.
>Could be wrong though. Maybe having the middlemen just import a ready
>made product from a foreign country is better for the economy.
>That's what they say on Wall street I think.
>Pretty smart guys there.
>
>--Vic
You ARE joking, I hope (about the clowns on Wall Street being SMART?)
== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 5:51 pm
From: "Dave"
"Vic Smith" <thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:779le5puou45nf5kdbgtvrjj7j7hq5d6ac@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:13:42 -0500, "Dave" <hairy411@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Vic Smith" <thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:o0vhe5hjrr57i7ek09gj6fbra5pvbu94fb@4ax.com...
>
>>> Probably feel more secure about getting good engineering and a company
>>> that stands behind their cars, and also because the Chevys are
>>> foreign-built. I don't like sending money over the border.
>>>
>> Foreign built or foreign owned, either way money is going across the
>>border.
>
> I was just guessing that the workers putting the cars together within
> our borders are getting paid for doing that.
> And that they spend some of their wages locally, providing even more
> work.
> Could be wrong though.
Too bad what you wrote didn't more closely resemble what you were guessing.
== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 6:01 pm
From: "Dave"
<clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote in message
news:tjjme5dfldjpil0lgasoqlkmgkbkmtg9bu@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:13:42 -0500, "Dave" <hairy411@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Vic Smith" <thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:o0vhe5hjrr57i7ek09gj6fbra5pvbu94fb@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:32:38 -0400, "C. E. White"
>>> <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The problem I see is that those rankings don't list the actual
>>>>> percentages. They could be closely grouped together. No one argues
>>>>> that
>>>>> Toyotas and Hondas have greater longevity and reliability than Fords
>>>>> or
>>>>> Chevys, the debate is over how much greater longevity and how much
>>>>> greater
>>>>> reliability.
>>>>
>>>>This is a ridiculous claim. If you said, "I believe" Toyota and Hondas
>>>>have
>>>>greater reliability, then I coudn't argue about what you believe. If you
>>>>said many people believe that Toyotas and Hondas have greater
>>>>reliability
>>>>that Fords and Chevies, then I'd actually agree with you. But I
>>>>certainly
>>>>can argue about the corretness of this belief. It is my personal
>>>>experince
>>>>that Toyotas and particualrly Hondas, are not as durable as American
>>>>cars.
>>>
>>> You have to specify a model/engine.
>>> What Toyota and Honda have done is concentrate on putting quality and
>>> engineering in what they want to sell.
>>> The domestic brands seldom do that.
>>> That's why Camry/Corolla/Accord/Civic have done well.
>>> Although I believe the general public holds onto certain myths,
>>> there's a basis in the Toyota/Honda myths.
>>> With domestics you have to pick well, and if you're a new car buyer
>>> hope it works out.
>>> I'm a Chevy fan, but I buy used and know what I'm getting.
>>> Spend very little per mile driven.
>>> I'm sure the same can be done with Fords, but I don't know them.
>>> But if I were to buy new, I might go for a Toyota or Honda.
>>> Probably feel more secure about getting good engineering and a company
>>> that stands behind their cars, and also because the Chevys are
>>> foreign-built. I don't like sending money over the border.
>>>
>> Foreign built or foreign owned, either way money is going across the
>>border.
>
>
> Only if you are buying your USED Chevies from across the border
> yourself. The manufacturer only gets paid for them ONCE.
If you think no money from Toyota or Honda sales ends up in Japan, you are
as big a fool as you seem.
== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 7:42 pm
From: clare@snyder.on.ca
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:01:07 -0500, "Dave" <hairy411@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
><clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote in message
>news:tjjme5dfldjpil0lgasoqlkmgkbkmtg9bu@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:13:42 -0500, "Dave" <hairy411@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Vic Smith" <thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>news:o0vhe5hjrr57i7ek09gj6fbra5pvbu94fb@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:32:38 -0400, "C. E. White"
>>>> <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem I see is that those rankings don't list the actual
>>>>>> percentages. They could be closely grouped together. No one argues
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> Toyotas and Hondas have greater longevity and reliability than Fords
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> Chevys, the debate is over how much greater longevity and how much
>>>>>> greater
>>>>>> reliability.
>>>>>
>>>>>This is a ridiculous claim. If you said, "I believe" Toyota and Hondas
>>>>>have
>>>>>greater reliability, then I coudn't argue about what you believe. If you
>>>>>said many people believe that Toyotas and Hondas have greater
>>>>>reliability
>>>>>that Fords and Chevies, then I'd actually agree with you. But I
>>>>>certainly
>>>>>can argue about the corretness of this belief. It is my personal
>>>>>experince
>>>>>that Toyotas and particualrly Hondas, are not as durable as American
>>>>>cars.
>>>>
>>>> You have to specify a model/engine.
>>>> What Toyota and Honda have done is concentrate on putting quality and
>>>> engineering in what they want to sell.
>>>> The domestic brands seldom do that.
>>>> That's why Camry/Corolla/Accord/Civic have done well.
>>>> Although I believe the general public holds onto certain myths,
>>>> there's a basis in the Toyota/Honda myths.
>>>> With domestics you have to pick well, and if you're a new car buyer
>>>> hope it works out.
>>>> I'm a Chevy fan, but I buy used and know what I'm getting.
>>>> Spend very little per mile driven.
>>>> I'm sure the same can be done with Fords, but I don't know them.
>>>> But if I were to buy new, I might go for a Toyota or Honda.
>>>> Probably feel more secure about getting good engineering and a company
>>>> that stands behind their cars, and also because the Chevys are
>>>> foreign-built. I don't like sending money over the border.
>>>>
>>> Foreign built or foreign owned, either way money is going across the
>>>border.
>>
>>
>> Only if you are buying your USED Chevies from across the border
>> yourself. The manufacturer only gets paid for them ONCE.
>
>If you think no money from Toyota or Honda sales ends up in Japan, you are
>as big a fool as you seem.
Never said that, dude. Of course some does. As will maney from
Hummers go to China. The guy in question said he always bought USED
Chevies - and some dummy said that he was crazy to do that because
they were made "across the border" - by which I assume he meant in
Canada if he was a Yank, or in the USA if he was a Canuk.
When you are buying USEED it doesn't matter WHERE it was made, because
the manufacturer got their money from the FIRST purchacer, and ONLY
from the first purchacer.
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