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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 29 2009 6:45 pm
From: someone@some.domain (someone@some.domain)
In article <pfSdnUwnF6u2n3fXnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, "C. E. White" <cewhite3remove@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
>news:4ae5c972$0$1603$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
>> The biggest problem with the Tundra is that not enough buyers are willing
>> to pay premium for toughness or longevity.
>
>When I was pricing trucks last February, the Tundras were heavily
>discounted. I actually paid more for an F150 than I was qouted for a Tundra
>with similar equipment (smaller V8, Access Cab). One trip down a rough road
>convinced me the Tundra was a no go. Try running one over a few bumps with
>the tailgate down and you wouldn't want one either. It was painfully obvious
>the Tundra was the inferior truck. Toyota builds some fine vehicle. The
>Tundra isn't one of them. I probably would be able to get buy with a Tundra,
>but I prefer something that is overbuilt to something that is just good
>enough to get buy. A Tundra wouldn't last some farmers I know a year. The
>frame is too weak, the sheet metal to timmy. And given Toyota mediocre
>reliabilty record of late and high Toyota repair prices, I couldn't see
>taking a chance on a Tundra with my money.
>
>Ed.
>
the sheet metal is timmy? what about lassie, too?
getting buy? you mean by?
(i don't proofread either.)
== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 1:27 am
From: SMS
I'm Right wrote:
> That is odd when I drive I see 30+ year old Chevy, GMC, Ford and a Dodge
> once in a while.
> Chevy PU's from 73-87 are everywhere, the 88-98 are too as well as the newr
> chevys
> I see 80-86 Fords, 87-97 fords and up. Dodges are mostly 94 and up, with a
> few older 88-ish with a cummins.
> I do see a few 89-94 Toy PU. The truck they should have kept building.
Toyota really hit their stride with Tundra. It's rather over-built, but
that's why it lasts so long. If you want something that's just "good
enough" but cheaper truck that will last 1/3 as long. The Tundra has a
stronger frame and thicker steel throughout. But it goes beyond just the
design, Toyotas are also more reliable, repairs are reasonably priced,
and parts availability is excellent.
== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 3:19 pm
From: "C. E. White"
----- Original Message -----
From: "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.autos,alt.autos.toyota,alt.autos.toyota.trucks
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 4:27 AM
Subject: Re: Latest Mis-Leading Tundra Commercial
> I'm Right wrote:
>> That is odd when I drive I see 30+ year old Chevy, GMC, Ford and a Dodge
>> once in a while.
>> Chevy PU's from 73-87 are everywhere, the 88-98 are too as well as the
>> newr chevys
>> I see 80-86 Fords, 87-97 fords and up. Dodges are mostly 94 and up, with
>> a few older 88-ish with a cummins.
>> I do see a few 89-94 Toy PU. The truck they should have kept building.
>
> Toyota really hit their stride with Tundra. It's rather over-built, but
> that's why it lasts so long. If you want something that's just "good
> enough" but cheaper truck that will last 1/3 as long. The Tundra has a
> stronger frame and thicker steel throughout. But it goes beyond just the
> design, Toyotas are also more reliable, repairs are reasonably priced, and
> parts availability is excellent.
Over built? Overbuilt for what - carrying a couple of bags of groceries?
Seriously, have you actually driven a current style Tundra? It is clearly
inferior to anything form Ford or Chevy or even Dodge. You might be able to
convince me it is superior to the Titan, but even that is doubtful. The
Tundra isn't even as good as the Tacoma. It is the worst Toyota vehicle in
at least a decade. If you were honest, you'd have to admit it was a massive
screw-up. It still baffles me Toyota's management would spend so much money
and end up with a POS like the Tundra. The only stride Toyota hit with the
Tundra was a header off a cliff.
Ed
== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 3:20 pm
From: "C. E. White"
----- Original Message -----
From: <someone@some.domain>
Newsgroups: alt.autos,alt.autos.toyota,alt.autos.toyota.trucks
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: Latest Mis-Leading Tundra Commercial
> In article <pfSdnUwnF6u2n3fXnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, "C. E. White"
> <cewhite3remove@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
>>news:4ae5c972$0$1603$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
>>> The biggest problem with the Tundra is that not enough buyers are
>>> willing
>>> to pay premium for toughness or longevity.
>>
>>When I was pricing trucks last February, the Tundras were heavily
>>discounted. I actually paid more for an F150 than I was qouted for a
>>Tundra
>>with similar equipment (smaller V8, Access Cab). One trip down a rough
>>road
>>convinced me the Tundra was a no go. Try running one over a few bumps with
>>the tailgate down and you wouldn't want one either. It was painfully
>>obvious
>>the Tundra was the inferior truck. Toyota builds some fine vehicle. The
>>Tundra isn't one of them. I probably would be able to get buy with a
>>Tundra,
>>but I prefer something that is overbuilt to something that is just good
>>enough to get buy. A Tundra wouldn't last some farmers I know a year. The
>>frame is too weak, the sheet metal to timmy. And given Toyota mediocre
>>reliabilty record of late and high Toyota repair prices, I couldn't see
>>taking a chance on a Tundra with my money.
>>
>>Ed.
>>
> the sheet metal is timmy? what about lassie, too?
> getting buy? you mean by?
> (i don't proofread either.)
Worse than that...I let windows spell check for me...
Ed
== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 3:33 pm
From: "C. E. White"
"dbu`" <nospam@nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:-4CdnU86zfdtj3fXnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> In article <pfSdnUwnF6u2n3fXnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> "C. E. White" <cewhite3remove@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4ae5c972$0$1603$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
>> > The biggest problem with the Tundra is that not enough buyers are
>> > willing
>> > to pay premium for toughness or longevity.
>>
>> When I was pricing trucks last February, the Tundras were heavily
>> discounted. I actually paid more for an F150 than I was qouted for a
>> Tundra
>> with similar equipment (smaller V8, Access Cab). One trip down a rough
>> road
>> convinced me the Tundra was a no go. Try running one over a few bumps
>> with
>> the tailgate down and you wouldn't want one either. It was painfully
>> obvious
>> the Tundra was the inferior truck. Toyota builds some fine vehicle. The
>> Tundra isn't one of them. I probably would be able to get buy with a
>> Tundra,
>> but I prefer something that is overbuilt to something that is just good
>> enough to get buy. A Tundra wouldn't last some farmers I know a year. The
>> frame is too weak, the sheet metal to timmy. And given Toyota mediocre
>> reliabilty record of late and high Toyota repair prices, I couldn't see
>> taking a chance on a Tundra with my money.
>>
>> Ed.
>
> I was at my Toyota dealer today getting my Sienna serviced, oil change.
> They had a demo board set up showing the difference between the Tundra,
> F150, Dodge PU, Chev PU and Nissan, showing the tie rod, brake, frame
> member. The Tundra seemed to have the most heavy duty components
> compared with the rest. The tie rod and brake disk assy seemed to be
> the two that stuck out the most. Maybe the Tundra is a pretty good
> truck after all.
But which Ford, Dodge, or Chevy - HD, SD, 2007, 2008, 2009? Ford did the
same thing, and their parts looked better....
When you control the message, you can always make yourself look good.
> The 2010 Prius is a mighty impressive vehicle too. It might be in my
> future sights a couple years down the road.
I was actually suprised how roomy the Prius is. My SO wishes she had one. I
don't think it would be at the very top of my list for a new car, butI'd at
least be willing to consider one - particaulrly if I changed my life style
and had a shorter commute (more city miles). One of the guys at my office
has one of the previous generation Prius (actually his wife's) and he is
really happy with it - zero problems so far and great gas mileage (even on
the highway). My SO's parent also have one of the prior version, and they
love theirs too. They are very common around here and I have not heard
anyone complaining about them.
Ed
== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 4:48 pm
From: dbu`
In article <ANydnYKQOY5P9HbXnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"C. E. White" <cewhite3remove@mindspring.com> wrote:
> "dbu`" <nospam@nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:-4CdnU86zfdtj3fXnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> > In article <pfSdnUwnF6u2n3fXnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> > "C. E. White" <cewhite3remove@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:4ae5c972$0$1603$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> >> > The biggest problem with the Tundra is that not enough buyers are
> >> > willing
> >> > to pay premium for toughness or longevity.
> >>
> >> When I was pricing trucks last February, the Tundras were heavily
> >> discounted. I actually paid more for an F150 than I was qouted for a
> >> Tundra
> >> with similar equipment (smaller V8, Access Cab). One trip down a rough
> >> road
> >> convinced me the Tundra was a no go. Try running one over a few bumps
> >> with
> >> the tailgate down and you wouldn't want one either. It was painfully
> >> obvious
> >> the Tundra was the inferior truck. Toyota builds some fine vehicle. The
> >> Tundra isn't one of them. I probably would be able to get buy with a
> >> Tundra,
> >> but I prefer something that is overbuilt to something that is just good
> >> enough to get buy. A Tundra wouldn't last some farmers I know a year. The
> >> frame is too weak, the sheet metal to timmy. And given Toyota mediocre
> >> reliabilty record of late and high Toyota repair prices, I couldn't see
> >> taking a chance on a Tundra with my money.
> >>
> >> Ed.
> >
> > I was at my Toyota dealer today getting my Sienna serviced, oil change.
> > They had a demo board set up showing the difference between the Tundra,
> > F150, Dodge PU, Chev PU and Nissan, showing the tie rod, brake, frame
> > member. The Tundra seemed to have the most heavy duty components
> > compared with the rest. The tie rod and brake disk assy seemed to be
> > the two that stuck out the most. Maybe the Tundra is a pretty good
> > truck after all.
>
> But which Ford, Dodge, or Chevy - HD, SD, 2007, 2008, 2009? Ford did the
> same thing, and their parts looked better....
>
> When you control the message, you can always make yourself look good.
>
> > The 2010 Prius is a mighty impressive vehicle too. It might be in my
> > future sights a couple years down the road.
>
> I was actually suprised how roomy the Prius is. My SO wishes she had one. I
> don't think it would be at the very top of my list for a new car, butI'd at
> least be willing to consider one - particaulrly if I changed my life style
> and had a shorter commute (more city miles). One of the guys at my office
> has one of the previous generation Prius (actually his wife's) and he is
> really happy with it - zero problems so far and great gas mileage (even on
> the highway). My SO's parent also have one of the prior version, and they
> love theirs too. They are very common around here and I have not heard
> anyone complaining about them.
>
> Ed
40 to 50 mpg is a big incentive, that is if you need a new car and want
something small. I thought of it as engineering excellence which I have
high respect for. It does have a lot of cargo space in the rear with
seats folded down. It's a very cool vehicle. You have to weigh what
you have and what you need. It's maybe not for everyone, but for us
I'll keep it in my sights for a few years down the line when as we age
and our needs become smaller it may be a vehicle that will meet our
lower demands for personal transportation. We want to eventually cut
down to one vehicle in a couple years. I see gas prices at the pump
only going up in the years ahead. The days of 2.50, 3.00 per gallon
are going away. I expect to see $5 or more per gallon gas at the pump
in my lifetime. I'm 67 in a month to give you an idea.
As for the Tundra as opposed to F and GM I can't say except for what I
seen at the Toyota dealership and as you know they puff their vehicles
as do Ford and GM. So what ever it's worth.
--
== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 6:16 pm
From: SMS
"dbu`" <nospam@nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
>
> I was at my Toyota dealer today getting my Sienna serviced, oil change.
> They had a demo board set up showing the difference between the Tundra,
> F150, Dodge PU, Chev PU and Nissan, showing the tie rod, brake, frame
> member. The Tundra seemed to have the most heavy duty components
> compared with the rest. The tie rod and brake disk assy seemed to be
> the two that stuck out the most. Maybe the Tundra is a pretty good
> truck after all.
Yes, that's why the Tundras last so long, and have higher resale value.
They're built as real commercial trucks, not as a glorified passenger car.
== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 8:18 pm
From: someone@some.domain (someone@some.domain)
In article <m76dnRfYroNU-3bXnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, "C. E. White" <cewhite3remove@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <someone@some.domain>
>Newsgroups: alt.autos,alt.autos.toyota,alt.autos.toyota.trucks
>Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:45 PM
>Subject: Re: Latest Mis-Leading Tundra Commercial
>
>
>> In article <pfSdnUwnF6u2n3fXnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, "C. E. White"
>> <cewhite3remove@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:4ae5c972$0$1603$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
>>>> The biggest problem with the Tundra is that not enough buyers are
>>>> willing
>>>> to pay premium for toughness or longevity.
>>>
>>>When I was pricing trucks last February, the Tundras were heavily
>>>discounted. I actually paid more for an F150 than I was qouted for a
>>>Tundra
>>>with similar equipment (smaller V8, Access Cab). One trip down a rough
>>>road
>>>convinced me the Tundra was a no go. Try running one over a few bumps with
>>>the tailgate down and you wouldn't want one either. It was painfully
>>>obvious
>>>the Tundra was the inferior truck. Toyota builds some fine vehicle. The
>>>Tundra isn't one of them. I probably would be able to get buy with a
>>>Tundra,
>>>but I prefer something that is overbuilt to something that is just good
>>>enough to get buy. A Tundra wouldn't last some farmers I know a year. The
>>>frame is too weak, the sheet metal to timmy. And given Toyota mediocre
>>>reliabilty record of late and high Toyota repair prices, I couldn't see
>>>taking a chance on a Tundra with my money.
>>>
>>>Ed.
>>>
>> the sheet metal is timmy? what about lassie, too?
>> getting buy? you mean by?
>> (i don't proofread either.)
>
>Worse than that...I let windows spell check for me...
>
>Ed
>
so that's what that smell is? i thought something died next to a heater.
let me guess, the new windums 7? vista couldn't spell check it's way out of
it's crutch.
== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 8:24 pm
From: someone@some.domain (someone@some.domain)
In article <ANydnYKQOY5P9HbXnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@earthlink.com>, "C. E. White" <cewhite3remove@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>"dbu`" <nospam@nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
>news:-4CdnU86zfdtj3fXnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> In article <pfSdnUwnF6u2n3fXnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>> "C. E. White" <cewhite3remove@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4ae5c972$0$1603$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
>>> > The biggest problem with the Tundra is that not enough buyers are
>>> > willing
>>> > to pay premium for toughness or longevity.
>>>
>>> When I was pricing trucks last February, the Tundras were heavily
>>> discounted. I actually paid more for an F150 than I was qouted for a
>>> Tundra
>>> with similar equipment (smaller V8, Access Cab). One trip down a rough
>>> road
>>> convinced me the Tundra was a no go. Try running one over a few bumps
>>> with
>>> the tailgate down and you wouldn't want one either. It was painfully
>>> obvious
>>> the Tundra was the inferior truck. Toyota builds some fine vehicle. The
>>> Tundra isn't one of them. I probably would be able to get buy with a
>>> Tundra,
>>> but I prefer something that is overbuilt to something that is just good
>>> enough to get buy. A Tundra wouldn't last some farmers I know a year. The
>>> frame is too weak, the sheet metal to timmy. And given Toyota mediocre
>>> reliabilty record of late and high Toyota repair prices, I couldn't see
>>> taking a chance on a Tundra with my money.
>>>
>>> Ed.
>>
>> I was at my Toyota dealer today getting my Sienna serviced, oil change.
>> They had a demo board set up showing the difference between the Tundra,
>> F150, Dodge PU, Chev PU and Nissan, showing the tie rod, brake, frame
>> member. The Tundra seemed to have the most heavy duty components
>> compared with the rest. The tie rod and brake disk assy seemed to be
>> the two that stuck out the most. Maybe the Tundra is a pretty good
>> truck after all.
>
>But which Ford, Dodge, or Chevy - HD, SD, 2007, 2008, 2009? Ford did the
>same thing, and their parts looked better....
>
>When you control the message, you can always make yourself look good.
>
>> The 2010 Prius is a mighty impressive vehicle too. It might be in my
>> future sights a couple years down the road.
>
>I was actually suprised how roomy the Prius is. My SO wishes she had one. I
>don't think it would be at the very top of my list for a new car, butI'd at
>least be willing to consider one - particaulrly if I changed my life style
>and had a shorter commute (more city miles). One of the guys at my office
>has one of the previous generation Prius (actually his wife's) and he is
>really happy with it - zero problems so far and great gas mileage (even on
>the highway). My SO's parent also have one of the prior version, and they
>love theirs too. They are very common around here and I have not heard
>anyone complaining about them.
>
>Ed
>
my best friend buys a new one every other year and says they constantly
improve them also. she does a lot of commuting and kid's taxi. she hit the
side of a red light runner in a 2003 or 04 and it really kept her and daughter
from injury. didn't total it either. pretty rare in a t boning.
she won't loan it to me. durn.
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