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TOPIC: Latest Mis-Leading Tundra Commercial
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos/t/e707915212a12b48?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 21 2009 8:22 pm
From: "JoeSpareBedroom"
"C. E. White" <cewhite3remove@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> "M. Balmer" <boogerpicker@wazoo.net> wrote in message
> news:TBuDm.1340$OY2.1255@newsfe22.iad...
>> the oddity is finding very many eight to ten year old F150's running the
>> roads
>
> You are kidding. I know of plenty of F150s 8 to 10 years old and many
> more that are over 20 years old. I kept my 1992 F150 for 14 years. It is
> the Toyota that disintegrate. I can't think of any other manufacturer that
> had to recall vehicles because the frame rotted out. A good friend always
> brags about how long his Tacoma lasted but he usually omits that he had to
> have the transmission rebuilt twice and the engine replaced one. And he
> didn't think the rust holes were significant.
>
> Nothing wrong with Toyotas, but they are not in the same league with an
> F150 when it comes to toughness. They are great vehicles for people that
> really needed a car.
>
> Ed
By "toughness", do you mean the ability to withstand use by professionals
who beat the crap out of a truck, like masons, carpenters, etc?
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 22 2009 6:08 am
From: SMS
M. Balmer wrote:
> the oddity is finding very many eight to ten year old F150's running the
> roads
At least those that have been used as work trucks. Many non-professional
users buy pick up trucks to use as personal vehicles with only
occasional use to haul stuff or to tow a boat or trailer. Any truck can
last a long time under that kind of use.
The advantage of the Tundra is that they are very tough in terms of the
engine and body. You still see a lot of 10 year old (model year 2000)
contractor's Tundra's on the road, having had nothing but routine
maintenance. I told my contractor, "you need a new truck" because his 00
Tundra has 300K miles on it and is rather beat up on the outside, but he
has no interest in spending $30K on another truck while the current one
still runs fine.
When you look at the big picture, in terms of not only initial cost, but
in terms of costs of maintenance and longevity, the cost per year of a
Tundra is much less than that of other trucks. You also have to consider
the costs of outfitting a new truck more often. Stuff like racks that
are truck specific can add thousands in extra cost, and you don't want
to be replacing them every three years.
Just the mere fact that a contractor is using a Tundra is one indication
that they are one of the better contractor's to consider, in terms of
price, quality of work, or both.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 22 2009 7:19 am
From: "C. E. White"
"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
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> Just the mere fact that a contractor is using a Tundra is one
> indication that they are one of the better contractor's to consider,
> in terms of price, quality of work, or both.
This may be the silliest thing I have ever heard. I would suggest that
the contrator you driving a Tundra likes Toyotas and nothing more.
There is no credible evidence that suggest that Tundras last longer
than US pick-up. Actually, given all the quality problems associated
with Tundras, I'd suggest it implies the Contractor didn't research
things at all and just blindly purchased a third rate truck based on a
bunch of BS he read on the internet.
Ed
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 22 2009 7:43 pm
From: "M. Balmer"
No, I think you are kidding. I see Dodges, Chevys and Fords with rusted
frames (steel doesn't "rot) right here in AZ. My 98 Tacoma can run rings
around any full sized Amerikan vehicle. It's been offroad every fucking week
for 11 years and there's nothing rebuilt about the drive train and no rust
either. American vehicles are good for hauling fat passengers and massive
tonnages of cargo but utterly worthless offroad. They do not hold their
value and quality is nonexistent.
"C. E. White" <cewhite3remove@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> "M. Balmer" <boogerpicker@wazoo.net> wrote in message
> news:TBuDm.1340$OY2.1255@newsfe22.iad...
>> the oddity is finding very many eight to ten year old F150's running the
>> roads
>
> You are kidding. I know of plenty of F150s 8 to 10 years old and many
> more that are over 20 years old. I kept my 1992 F150 for 14 years. It is
> the Toyota that disintegrate. I can't think of any other manufacturer that
> had to recall vehicles because the frame rotted out. A good friend always
> brags about how long his Tacoma lasted but he usually omits that he had to
> have the transmission rebuilt twice and the engine replaced one. And he
> didn't think the rust holes were significant.
>
> Nothing wrong with Toyotas, but they are not in the same league with an
> F150 when it comes to toughness. They are great vehicles for people that
> really needed a car.
>
> Ed
>
>
>> "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote in message
>> news:4addcb85$0$12271$ce5e7886@news-radius.ptd.net...
>>> Really? If anyone actually wanted a Tundra they could have had their
>>> pick at the Manheim Auto Auctions for as low as $25,000 just last month
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