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* Latest Mis-Leading Tundra Commercial - 9 messages, 5 authors
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* No salvation for you, reprobate! - 6 messages, 5 authors
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TOPIC: Latest Mis-Leading Tundra Commercial
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos/t/e707915212a12b48?hl=en
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 7:40 pm
From: "C. E. White"
Has anyone notice the snap shot in the new Tundra Commercial? In the
commercial a contractor talks about when he started out 7 years ago he
needed a dependable truck and bought a Tundra (this in itself is
misleading - I doubt if 1 in a 100 contractor considered a Tunda in 2002).
He shows a snap shot of his "first" Tundra. The snap shot is of a current
body style Tundra, not the version from 7 years ago. Was this a deliberate
attempt to mislead people, or just another bad choice by the clueless idiots
that do Tundra commercials? I don't think any vehicle has ever been promoted
with so many obviously misleading ads. No matter how good or bad the current
Tundra may be, the ads suck.
Ed
== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 20 2009 7:15 am
From: SMS
C. E. White wrote:
> Has anyone notice the snap shot in the new Tundra Commercial? In the
> commercial a contractor talks about when he started out 7 years ago he
> needed a dependable truck and bought a Tundra (this in itself is
> misleading - I doubt if 1 in a 100 contractor considered a Tunda in
> 2002).
The only contractor I've used had a Tundra of that era. He still has it
with nearly 300K miles on it. His feeling is that it's better to spend a
little more for a truck that will not need replacing every few years,
but it's true that the Tundra cost more than your standard Ford, Chevy,
or Dodge truck.
== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 20 2009 7:32 am
From: "Mike Hunter"
Does it really matter what commercials Toyota runs for the Tundra? Sales
for the "new" tundra have been in the dumper since day one. Look at the
industry statistics to see what buyers think of the Tundra. Even Dodge
trucks sell far better.
Tundra sales were so bad Toyota had to shut down the Texas plant for three
months and they were dumping Tundra's to rental fleets and at the Manheim
Auto Auctions for months for as low as $25,000
The only Tundra buyers Toyota is getting are current buyers of their small
truck who have decide they want a bigger truck.
"C. E. White" <cewhite3remove@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:faednZ-raaaMvkDXnZ2dnUVZ_h-dnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> Has anyone notice the snap shot in the new Tundra Commercial? In the
> commercial a contractor talks about when he started out 7 years ago he
> needed a dependable truck and bought a Tundra (this in itself is
> misleading - I doubt if 1 in a 100 contractor considered a Tunda in 2002)
> He shows a snap shot of his "first" Tundra. The snap shot is of a current
> body style Tundra, not the version from 7 years ago. Was this a
> deliberate attempt to mislead people, or just another bad choice by the
> clueless idiots that do Tundra commercials? I don't think any vehicle has
> ever been promoted with so many obviously misleading ads. No matter how
> good or bad the current Tundra may be, the ads suck.
>
> Ed
== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 20 2009 7:39 am
From: "Mike Hunter"
Really? If anyone actually wanted a Tundra they could have had their pick
at the Manheim Auto Auctions for as low as $25,000 just last month.
I don't know were you live but I'm sure if you look around and you will see
plenty of twenty year old F150's still running on the roadways. One old
Tundra is an oddity ;)
"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:4addc5ba$0$1632$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> C. E. White wrote:
>> Has anyone notice the snap shot in the new Tundra Commercial? In the
>> commercial a contractor talks about when he started out 7 years ago he
>> needed a dependable truck and bought a Tundra (this in itself is
>> misleading - I doubt if 1 in a 100 contractor considered a Tunda in
>> 2002).
>
> The only contractor I've used had a Tundra of that era. He still has it
> with nearly 300K miles on it. His feeling is that it's better to spend a
> little more for a truck that will not need replacing every few years, but
> it's true that the Tundra cost more than your standard Ford, Chevy, or
> Dodge truck.
>
== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 20 2009 8:02 am
From: "JoeSpareBedroom"
Those used Tundras being auctioned - were they previously owned by people
who used them for work, or people who bought trucks "just because", and gas
prices slapped them back to sanity?
"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote in message
news:4addcb85$0$12271$ce5e7886@news-radius.ptd.net...
> Really? If anyone actually wanted a Tundra they could have had their pick
> at the Manheim Auto Auctions for as low as $25,000 just last month.
>
> I don't know were you live but I'm sure if you look around and you will
> see plenty of twenty year old F150's still running on the roadways. One
> old Tundra is an oddity ;)
>
>
> "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
> news:4addc5ba$0$1632$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
>> C. E. White wrote:
>>> Has anyone notice the snap shot in the new Tundra Commercial? In the
>>> commercial a contractor talks about when he started out 7 years ago he
>>> needed a dependable truck and bought a Tundra (this in itself is
>>> misleading - I doubt if 1 in a 100 contractor considered a Tunda in
>>> 2002).
>>
>> The only contractor I've used had a Tundra of that era. He still has it
>> with nearly 300K miles on it. His feeling is that it's better to spend a
>> little more for a truck that will not need replacing every few years, but
>> it's true that the Tundra cost more than your standard Ford, Chevy, or
>> Dodge truck.
>>
>
>
== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 20 2009 8:03 am
From: "JoeSpareBedroom"
"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote in message
news:4addc9d9$0$12257$ce5e7886@news-radius.ptd.net...
> The only Tundra buyers Toyota is getting are current buyers of their small
> truck who have decide they want a bigger truck.
You might be right about that. Show your source for that theory. It's
interesting.
== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 20 2009 8:20 am
From: "Mike Hunter"
They were brand new never titled, sold by a Toyota distributer, at general
auction dummy. Domestics can not do that they can only sell new vehicles
to their franchised dealerships.
"JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
news:ZhkDm.13056$pl1.12132@newsfe01.iad...
> Those used Tundras being auctioned - were they previously owned by people
> who used them for work, or people who bought trucks "just because", and
> gas prices slapped them back to sanity?
>
>
>
>
>
> "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote in message
> news:4addcb85$0$12271$ce5e7886@news-radius.ptd.net...
>> Really? If anyone actually wanted a Tundra they could have had their
>> pick at the Manheim Auto Auctions for as low as $25,000 just last month.
>>
>> I don't know were you live but I'm sure if you look around and you will
>> see plenty of twenty year old F150's still running on the roadways. One
>> old Tundra is an oddity ;)
>>
>>
>> "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4addc5ba$0$1632$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
>>> C. E. White wrote:
>>>> Has anyone notice the snap shot in the new Tundra Commercial? In the
>>>> commercial a contractor talks about when he started out 7 years ago he
>>>> needed a dependable truck and bought a Tundra (this in itself is
>>>> misleading - I doubt if 1 in a 100 contractor considered a Tunda in
>>>> 2002).
>>>
>>> The only contractor I've used had a Tundra of that era. He still has it
>>> with nearly 300K miles on it. His feeling is that it's better to spend a
>>> little more for a truck that will not need replacing every few years,
>>> but it's true that the Tundra cost more than your standard Ford, Chevy,
>>> or Dodge truck.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 20 2009 7:45 pm
From: "M. Balmer"
the oddity is finding very many eight to ten year old F150's running the
roads
"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote in message
news:4addcb85$0$12271$ce5e7886@news-radius.ptd.net...
> Really? If anyone actually wanted a Tundra they could have had their pick
> at the Manheim Auto Auctions for as low as $25,000 just last month.
>
> I don't know were you live but I'm sure if you look around and you will
> see plenty of twenty year old F150's still running on the roadways. One
> old Tundra is an oddity ;)
>
>
> "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
> news:4addc5ba$0$1632$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
>> C. E. White wrote:
>>> Has anyone notice the snap shot in the new Tundra Commercial? In the
>>> commercial a contractor talks about when he started out 7 years ago he
>>> needed a dependable truck and bought a Tundra (this in itself is
>>> misleading - I doubt if 1 in a 100 contractor considered a Tunda in
>>> 2002).
>>
>> The only contractor I've used had a Tundra of that era. He still has it
>> with nearly 300K miles on it. His feeling is that it's better to spend a
>> little more for a truck that will not need replacing every few years, but
>> it's true that the Tundra cost more than your standard Ford, Chevy, or
>> Dodge truck.
>>
>
>
== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 20 2009 7:45 pm
From: "M. Balmer"
the oddity is finding very many eight to ten year old F150's running the
roads
"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote in message
news:4addcb85$0$12271$ce5e7886@news-radius.ptd.net...
> Really? If anyone actually wanted a Tundra they could have had their pick
> at the Manheim Auto Auctions for as low as $25,000 just last month.
>
> I don't know were you live but I'm sure if you look around and you will
> see plenty of twenty year old F150's still running on the roadways. One
> old Tundra is an oddity ;)
>
>
> "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
> news:4addc5ba$0$1632$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
>> C. E. White wrote:
>>> Has anyone notice the snap shot in the new Tundra Commercial? In the
>>> commercial a contractor talks about when he started out 7 years ago he
>>> needed a dependable truck and bought a Tundra (this in itself is
>>> misleading - I doubt if 1 in a 100 contractor considered a Tunda in
>>> 2002).
>>
>> The only contractor I've used had a Tundra of that era. He still has it
>> with nearly 300K miles on it. His feeling is that it's better to spend a
>> little more for a truck that will not need replacing every few years, but
>> it's true that the Tundra cost more than your standard Ford, Chevy, or
>> Dodge truck.
>>
>
>
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TOPIC: No salvation for you, reprobate!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos/t/e10b656ee411c1b9?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 20 2009 12:24 pm
From: Michael Dobony
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:39:58 -0700, Steve Daniels wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:24:28 -0400, against all advice, something
> compelled "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com>,
> to say:
>
>> No salvation for you, reprobate!
>
> Nor for you.
Correct. Salvation is only to those who have Christ. Mormons reject Christ
as God. They follow the teachings of a vision of the angel Moroni, who's
teachings have been proven lies.
>
> There are no gods. There is no heaven, there is no hell, there
> is no devil. There is only us, and that makes it even more
> important that we look out for and care for each other. Because
> no one else is going to.
For your sake it better be true. However, belief in God or gods is
universal in all cultures. There *must* be some basis for this. It also
fails to explain the many miracles, healings, 100% accurate prophecies,
emptied grave clothes, etc. What is your scientific, rational explanation?
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 20 2009 12:30 pm
From: Steve Daniels
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:24:27 -0500, against all advice, something
compelled Michael Dobony <survey@stopassaultnow.net>, to say:
> On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:39:58 -0700, Steve Daniels wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:24:28 -0400, against all advice, something
> > compelled "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com>,
> > to say:
> >
> >> No salvation for you, reprobate!
> >
> > Nor for you.
>
> Correct. Salvation is only to those who have Christ.
That's going to be pretty tough on the Buddhists.
--
Howdya like that... we started playing guitar to impress the chicks and wind
up talkin' fingernails with old men.
Ray Boyce - 9.27.09
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 20 2009 3:35 pm
From: PeterD
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:24:27 -0500, Michael Dobony
<survey@stopassaultnow.net> wrote:
>For your sake it better be true. However, belief in God or gods is
>universal in all cultures.
Meaningless, and untrue.
>There *must* be some basis for this.
Superstitious ignorance by chance?
>It also
>fails to explain the many miracles, healings, 100% accurate prophecies,
>emptied grave clothes, etc. What is your scientific, rational explanation?
You need to understand a few things, like probability and odds, self
serving acts, imaginary things, etc.
For example namen a "100% accurate prophecies"? Now, how's that
different from any other guess? And WTF is 'emptied grave clothes'?
That's a new one for me...
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 20 2009 5:06 pm
From: "hls"
Does this have anything at all to do with GM autos??
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 20 2009 5:58 pm
From: "Commentator"
hls wrote:
> Does this have anything at all to do with GM autos??
So, it's on-topic when you have something to say, but when you are done you
turn into a NetCop?
Just trying to clarify...
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 20 2009 7:37 pm
From: Steve Daniels
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:06:52 -0500, against all advice, something
compelled "hls" <hls@nospam.nix>, to say:
> Does this have anything at all to do with GM autos??
Yes.
Chevrolet is of the devil.
--
Howdya like that... we started playing guitar to impress the chicks and wind
up talkin' fingernails with old men.
Ray Boyce - 9.27.09
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