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TOPIC: Rear wiper on a sedan?
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== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 23 2009 6:36 pm
From: Tegger
Brian Smith <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in
news:hbti9c$j9$2@news.datemas.de:
> Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>>
>> Kind of amusing... About the only use for an interior rear view
>> mirror is to spot the cop that's chasin' you or the clown about to
>> rear end you. In either case, there won't be much that you can do
>> about it.
>
> In both of those scenarios you mention, the side mirrors will
> show you the vehicle approaching yours.
>
>> I agree, side view mirrors are far more valuable for pertinent
>> information.
>
> They (when adjusted properly) give the driver 100% of the view
> behind and to both sides of his vehicle.
Passenger-car side mirrors are /far/ too small to provide a proper all-over
view. Heavy-truck side-view mirrows are much larger.
For work I frequently travel with sufficient cargo as to be unable to see
out the rear window of my Integra. My right-side mirror is -- trust me on
this -- wholly inadequate for anything close to complete comprehension of
the surrounding traffic.
I find myself changing lanes on the highway a bit the way a transport
driver does: Signal first, then wait a bit so I'm pretty sure everybody
sees it. As the signal flashes, I bob and weave about in my seat, studying
in detail the view out my tiny right-side mirror. Nobody apparently there?
Signal still on, I /slowly/ begin my lane change, waiting for a horn honk.
No horn honk? Then it's probably safe. I continue moving over. I've been
pretty careful over the last 18 years; only one horn-honk.
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 24 2009 4:29 am
From: Brian Smith
Tegger wrote:
>
> Passenger-car side mirrors are /far/ too small to provide a proper all-over
> view. Heavy-truck side-view mirrows are much larger.
I disagree on the first part of this paragraph and agree with the
second portion.
> For work I frequently travel with sufficient cargo as to be unable to see
> out the rear window of my Integra. My right-side mirror is -- trust me on
> this -- wholly inadequate for anything close to complete comprehension of
> the surrounding traffic.
If you adjust your right side mirror properly, you will see that you
are able to see properly.
> I find myself changing lanes on the highway a bit the way a transport
> driver does: Signal first, then wait a bit so I'm pretty sure everybody
> sees it. As the signal flashes, I bob and weave about in my seat, studying
> in detail the view out my tiny right-side mirror. Nobody apparently there?
> Signal still on, I /slowly/ begin my lane change, waiting for a horn honk
> No horn honk? Then it's probably safe. I continue moving over. I've been
> pretty careful over the last 18 years; only one horn-honk.
What you have described here is the proper (and legal) way to initiate
and safely complete a lane change. Congratulations, you are one a very
few drivers on the road that know how to do that one maneuver.
== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 24 2009 4:31 am
From: Brian Smith
Stewart wrote:
>
> I've been driving for 35 years, and I'll never say never.
I did say "have never had", I can't see a need in the future to look at
the rear window either.
== 4 of 12 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 24 2009 8:53 am
From: "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
In article <hbqr6f$dlb$1@news.datemas.de>,
Brian Smith <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote:
> thomas wrote:
> >
> > Blimey - don't you drive ?
>
> I've been driving for almost forty years. I have never had a need to
> look out the rear window of any vehicle I have driven over the years.
> Side mirrors are far more accurate to use to keep track of what is going
> on around any vehicle.
Are you saying that you never look in the rear view mirror to see what's
happening directly behind you?
If that's the case, I'll remember to give you a WIDE berth.
Not that you'll ever try this, but properly set mirrors mean you don't
have to twist your neck around to see what's happening around you.
If your side mirrors are set properly, you have zero blind spots.
Everything that's happening around you, you can see by looking in the
rear view mirror, or as the cars exit that and come up beside you you'll
see them in the side mirror, or as the cars exit that and come further
up beside you you'll see them in your peripheral vision.
All without ever moving your head farther than over to your side mirrors.
So in that regard, there's zero reason to twist around and plant your
eyeballs directly outside a rear window, yes.
But not to use a rear view mirror, not to see things that the side
mirror can't show you? Not to have a heads up on what's happening back
there BEFORE the action comes into a side mirror?
That's fucking insane.
== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 24 2009 9:00 am
From: "tww1491"
"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
news:Xns9CABC5FC03486tegger@208.90.168.18...
> Such a thing actually exists. And I took a picture of it.
>
> http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/skyline_wiper.jpg
>
> This Nissan Skyline of unknown vintage lives across the street from where
> I
> work, and I discovered it just last week. What a cool car. I always
> wondered why Nissan never sold it in Canada or the US.
>
> --
> Tegger
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
Often wondered too. When I was stationed in Japan in 1967-69, the Skyline
2000 was a great sports sedan with a 2.0 liter SOHC I6 with a 5 speed. The
versions I recall came with the dual Solex copy of the Weber carb with a
dual exhaust. They ran like stink and handled. The car was originally made
by the Prince Motor Car Co which was bought out by Datsun (Nissan). I used
to autocross against them with a modified Sunbean Tiger in Tokyo Sports Car
Club. I have a picture somewhere of the Skyline back then with the hood
open.
== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 24 2009 9:23 am
From: Brian Smith
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>
> Are you saying that you never look in the rear view mirror to see what's
> happening directly behind you?
That is correct. There is no need to look out the rear window, if one
keeps their eyes moving taking in what is going on around their vehicle.
I've been doing it for forty years now and no incidents for well over
two and a half million miles.
> If that's the case, I'll remember to give you a WIDE berth.
No need to worry about me and my vehicle, I'll see you coming long
before you're close enough to be a problem. :^)
> Not that you'll ever try this, but properly set mirrors mean you don't
> have to twist your neck around to see what's happening around you.
>
> If your side mirrors are set properly, you have zero blind spots.
> Everything that's happening around you, you can see by looking in the
> rear view mirror, or as the cars exit that and come up beside you you'll
> see them in the side mirror, or as the cars exit that and come further
> up beside you you'll see them in your peripheral vision.
>
> All without ever moving your head farther than over to your side mirrors.
>
> So in that regard, there's zero reason to twist around and plant your
> eyeballs directly outside a rear window, yes.
>
> But not to use a rear view mirror, not to see things that the side
> mirror can't show you? Not to have a heads up on what's happening back
> there BEFORE the action comes into a side mirror?
But, one can know what is going on behind them if they keep checking
their mirrors properly. Nothing can sneak up on you, if you're paying
attention.
> That's fucking insane.
Untrue.
== 7 of 12 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 24 2009 12:08 pm
From: "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
In article <hbv9im$v8k$1@news.datemas.de>,
Brian Smith <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote:
> > If that's the case, I'll remember to give you a WIDE berth.
>
> No need to worry about me and my vehicle, I'll see you coming long
> before you're close enough to be a problem. :^)
I bet you anything you want that a fairly simple test would show that
you have no idea by and large what's happening behind and beside you.
I'll also bet you anything you want that you would never agree to such a
test.
> > But not to use a rear view mirror, not to see things that the side
> > mirror can't show you? Not to have a heads up on what's happening back
> > there BEFORE the action comes into a side mirror?
>
> But, one can know what is going on behind them if they keep checking
> their mirrors properly. Nothing can sneak up on you, if you're paying
> attention.
ALL mirrors, to include the rear view mirror (to see what's going on
behind you--through the rear window) and the side mirrors, if properly
set.
There is no way that side mirrors can show everything that's going on
behind you. And if they're showing ANYTHING that's going on behind you,
they're not at all able to show ANYTHING that's going on beside you in
your blind spot.
But you know that, because you're just trolling.
== 8 of 12 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 24 2009 1:51 pm
From: "Stewart"
"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
news:hbuodr$9u9$3@news.datemas.de...
> Stewart wrote:
>>
>> I've been driving for 35 years, and I'll never say never.
>
> I did say "have never had", I can't see a need in the future to look
> at the rear window either.
Might as well do away with it.
>
== 9 of 12 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 24 2009 2:47 pm
From: Brian Smith
Stewart wrote:
>
> Might as well do away with it.
In the past I have taken the inside mirror out of the vehicle. Now I
use it to mount the E-Pass on it and because it has a thermometer in it.
== 10 of 12 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 24 2009 2:51 pm
From: News
Brian Smith wrote:
> Stewart wrote:
>>
>> Might as well do away with it.
>
> In the past I have taken the inside mirror out of the vehicle. Now I
> use it to mount the E-Pass on it and because it has a thermometer in it.
Ideal location for a 'Wink' or panoramic mirror.
== 11 of 12 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 24 2009 7:43 pm
From: Grumpy AuContraire
Bob Jones wrote:
> "Grumpy AuContraire" <GrumpyOne@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in message
> news:Oo6dnREYldqKnn_XnZ2dnUVZ_s1i4p2d@giganews.com...
>> Brian Smith wrote:
>>> Joe wrote:
>>>> Please, do not drive near me.
>>> Why are you dangerous?
>>>
>>
>> Kind of amusing... About the only use for an interior rear view mirror is
>> to spot the cop that's chasin' you or the clown about to rear end you. In
>> either case, there won't be much that you can do about it.
>>
>> I agree, side view mirrors are far more valuable for pertinent
>> information.
>>
>> JT
>
> I drive a coupe with rear wiper. It is quite useless.
My ancient automatic Civic has a rear wiper/washer that actually still
works but it's just something else that will break. I could well do
without either.
JT
== 12 of 12 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 24 2009 7:45 pm
From: Grumpy AuContraire
Tegger wrote:
> "Bob Jones" <email@me.not> wrote in
> news:005e1388$0$13119$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com:
>
>> "Grumpy AuContraire" <GrumpyOne@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in message
>> news:Oo6dnREYldqKnn_XnZ2dnUVZ_s1i4p2d@giganews.com...
>>> Brian Smith wrote:
>>>> Joe wrote:
>>>>> Please, do not drive near me.
>>>> Why are you dangerous?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Kind of amusing... About the only use for an interior rear view
>>> mirror is to spot the cop that's chasin' you or the clown about to
>>> rear end you. In either case, there won't be much that you can do
>>> about it.
>>>
>>> I agree, side view mirrors are far more valuable for pertinent
>>> information.
>>>
>>> JT
>> I drive a coupe with rear wiper. It is quite useless.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> You must not live in an area where the rear window gets dew or rain on it
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