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TOPIC: Worth Paying for one more rotation?
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 4:40 pm
From: Paladin
The OEM tires on my '07 Accord EX-L V6 Sedan (Michelin Pilot MXM4,
215/50-17) show even tread wear but three of them are between 5/32 and
6/32 tread depth while the RF has 7/32. They've got about about 33,000
miles on them.
I'm due for an A-1 service (oil change, tire rotation) and wondering if
it's worth paying for the rotation seeing as how they'll probably need
to replaced sooner rather than later.
== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 20 2011 12:14 pm
From: Tegger
Paladin <gunslinger@sf1875.net> wrote in news:itm1dc$b7a$1
@news.albasani.net:
> The OEM tires on my '07 Accord EX-L V6 Sedan (Michelin Pilot MXM4,
> 215/50-17) show even tread wear but three of them are between 5/32 and
> 6/32 tread depth while the RF has 7/32. They've got about about 33,000
> miles on them.
>
> I'm due for an A-1 service (oil change, tire rotation) and wondering if
> it's worth paying for the rotation seeing as how they'll probably need
> to replaced sooner rather than later.
How much are they charging for the rotation itself?
--
Tegger
== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 20 2011 12:58 pm
From: Paladin
On 6/20/11 3:14 PM, Tegger wrote:
> Paladin<gunslinger@sf1875.net> wrote in news:itm1dc$b7a$1
> @news.albasani.net:
>
>> The OEM tires on my '07 Accord EX-L V6 Sedan (Michelin Pilot MXM4,
>> 215/50-17) show even tread wear but three of them are between 5/32 and
>> 6/32 tread depth while the RF has 7/32. They've got about about 33,000
>> miles on them.
>>
>> I'm due for an A-1 service (oil change, tire rotation) and wondering if
>> it's worth paying for the rotation seeing as how they'll probably need
>> to replaced sooner rather than later.
>
>
>
> How much are they charging for the rotation itself?
>
>
$20
== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 20 2011 4:48 pm
From: Tegger
Paladin <gunslinger@1875.net> wrote in news:ito8o9$kn6$2@news.albasani.net:
> On 6/20/11 3:14 PM, Tegger wrote:
>> Paladin<gunslinger@sf1875.net> wrote in news:itm1dc$b7a$1
>> @news.albasani.net:
>>
>>> The OEM tires on my '07 Accord EX-L V6 Sedan (Michelin Pilot MXM4,
>>> 215/50-17) show even tread wear but three of them are between 5/32 and
>>> 6/32 tread depth while the RF has 7/32. They've got about about 33,000
>>> miles on them.
>>>
>>> I'm due for an A-1 service (oil change, tire rotation) and wondering if
>>> it's worth paying for the rotation seeing as how they'll probably need
>>> to replaced sooner rather than later.
>>
>>
>>
>> How much are they charging for the rotation itself?
>>
>>
>
> $20
>
For a measly $20, I'd get it done.
Surely you'll get that back in slightly longer tire life, maybe even $20
more life.
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Tegger
== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 20 2011 4:55 pm
From: jim beam
On 06/20/2011 04:48 PM, Tegger wrote:
> Paladin<gunslinger@1875.net> wrote in news:ito8o9$kn6$2@news.albasani.net:
>
>> On 6/20/11 3:14 PM, Tegger wrote:
>>> Paladin<gunslinger@sf1875.net> wrote in news:itm1dc$b7a$1
>>> @news.albasani.net:
>>>
>>>> The OEM tires on my '07 Accord EX-L V6 Sedan (Michelin Pilot MXM4,
>>>> 215/50-17) show even tread wear but three of them are between 5/32 and
>>>> 6/32 tread depth while the RF has 7/32. They've got about about 33,000
>>>> miles on them.
>>>>
>>>> I'm due for an A-1 service (oil change, tire rotation) and wondering if
>>>> it's worth paying for the rotation seeing as how they'll probably need
>>>> to replaced sooner rather than later.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How much are they charging for the rotation itself?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> $20
>>
>
>
>
> For a measly $20, I'd get it done.
>
> Surely you'll get that back in slightly longer tire life, maybe even $20
> more life.
i'll take the longer survival life of the driver thanks. rotation ruins
traction and braking control because it reduces the amount of actual
rubber contacting the pavement.
--
nomina rutrum rutrum
== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 20 2011 5:22 pm
From: Tegger
jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in
news:jqCdnRWHf4xtQGLQnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@speakeasy.net:
> On 06/20/2011 04:48 PM, Tegger wrote:
>>
>>
>> For a measly $20, I'd get it done.
>>
>> Surely you'll get that back in slightly longer tire life, maybe even
>> $20 more life.
>
> i'll take the longer survival life of the driver thanks. rotation
> ruins traction and braking control because it reduces the amount of
> actual rubber contacting the pavement.
>
>
You have some pretty odd ideas, sir.
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Tegger
== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 20 2011 5:58 pm
From: jim beam
On 06/20/2011 05:22 PM, Tegger wrote:
> jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote in
> news:jqCdnRWHf4xtQGLQnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@speakeasy.net:
>
>> On 06/20/2011 04:48 PM, Tegger wrote:
>
>>>
>>>
>>> For a measly $20, I'd get it done.
>>>
>>> Surely you'll get that back in slightly longer tire life, maybe even
>>> $20 more life.
>>
>> i'll take the longer survival life of the driver thanks. rotation
>> ruins traction and braking control because it reduces the amount of
>> actual rubber contacting the pavement.
>>
>>
>
>
> You have some pretty odd ideas, sir.
>
>
one of the things you learn early on in materials science is that the
micro determines the macro. [this is an observation principle many
never learn, and even some who have been taught, never fully
appreciate.] thus, if you methodically observe the "micro" of the
tire's behavior, you will understand the "macro" of its performance.
i've repeated the description of this easy-to-do-for-yourself experiment
on this forum many times - chalk up some hdfb, lay it on some flat road
and with your "has been in this position for a few thousand miles now"
tires still in those positions, drive across it. take a pic of the
rubber blocks on the tire, and what percentage of each is chalked. then
rotate the tires, and repeat [taking the trouble to drive around the
block to de-chalk from last time of course]. you will see a dramatic
reduction in the contact area on each single block, particularly the
ones at the edges of the tire.
this is the reason why the "sport" car manufacturer segment recommends
/against/ tire rotation - this reduced contact area. and they're making
sense because some clown jumping into their m5 [bmw is one such
manufacturer that recommends against rotation] and trying to take an
on-ramp at the same speed they always do will quickly come to grief
because of it.
"good riddance to that guy" you may say, but the same applies to your
wife driving the kiddies to school - her emergency braking distance will
be increased in proportion to the reduced rubber contact area after a
rotation. i'm sure you don't want that, and now you can do your chalk
experiment, you can prove what i've said for yourself.
reality is, perpetuation of the tire rotation mantra is both ill
informed and anachronistic for today's radial tires. some people say it
because either their cars are crap and can't track a tire straight under
any circumstances, they don't know how the tire actually behaves, or
because they think it's some kind of legal cya. all are ridiculous imo.
--
nomina rutrum rutrum
== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 20 2011 6:06 pm
From: "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
In article <Xns9F0ACF45AA6AFtegger@208.90.168.18>,
Tegger <invalid@example.com> wrote:
> > i'll take the longer survival life of the driver thanks. rotation
> > ruins traction and braking control because it reduces the amount of
> > actual rubber contacting the pavement.
> >
> >
>
>
> You have some pretty odd ideas, sir.
..ideas which BMW put into writing and practice some time ago, for the
same reasons jim outlines.
There is no tire rotation for BMW vehicles.
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