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* Flickering Oil Press MIL at idle only. 1998 Accord V6 265K. Intermittent. -
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* CR-V safety recall - 7 messages, 5 authors
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TOPIC: Flickering Oil Press MIL at idle only. 1998 Accord V6 265K.
Intermittent.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/t/51f6f8571df4e6c6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 6 2011 3:48 am
From: Meatman
ELMO ASKED: <What about rolling down the highway at speed but you put
it into neutral
and idle the engine....????
How about car sitting parked, tranny in park, car idling?
If it happens then, what happens when you give a VERY light touch on
the
gas pedal?>>>
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ANSWERS:
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1) Original described condition occurs at idle at a stop-light, etc
(when it wants to). AND, YES, OCCURS when in park as well (when it
wants to). Witnessed it 2 nights ago, on-and-off rapid flickering
whilst sitting in driveway for 20 minutes in Park.
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2) Re: Highway TEST: No highway today, but slipped it into N about
200 yds from stoplight at speed of 50mph. Watched the oil light
meanwhile. Nothing. Only a few seconds after I had settled at a dead
stop at the red-light the flickering oil light returned. And the
slightest rpm increase kills it...always.
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And like I said, there are days that I could do this/these same tests
for you, at idle, at speed, in P...and never see the Oil MIL. As far
as predictability, it's definitely hit or miss.
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FEW OTHER THINGS, if you will:
- Prob first occurred one week after I changed oil myself with honda
filter as I've done on all my cars for the past 15 years +/-.
- When noodling around the interwebs, and talking to my bro who has
full, detailed access to All-DATA info....I've heard mention of a
check-valve or relief valve with regards to the oil flow.
- And lastly, I've done so many oil changes over years I don't pay
attention...but I THINK i remember the following scenario though I was
way low on sleep: I would swear that after I broke oil filter loose
from it's base and unscrewed some...and the required spillage
happened....I would almost swear that when I unscrewed it finally and
removed it...that I got another quick gusher of oil from the filter
mount/base on the block. Could be an illusion, or my tiredness at the
time. At any rate, does this sound like anything remotely possible on
a '265k tip-top V6 accord engine'?
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TOPIC: CR-V safety recall
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/t/7f6574cc29577606?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 9 2011 4:50 am
From: "Observer"
I just got in the mail a safety recall on my 2010 CR-V. It has to do
with the auto transmission control module software. I called one
dealer and they said to allow 1/2 day but realistically if anyone
knows, how long does the actual repair take? And do they just plug
into the electronics to make the change or have to change out the
module itself?
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 9 2011 7:54 am
From: starrin
On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 06:50:56 -0500, "Observer" <fake@net.com> wrote:
>I just got in the mail a safety recall on my 2010 CR-V. It has to do
>with the auto transmission control module software. I called one
>dealer and they said to allow 1/2 day but realistically if anyone
>knows, how long does the actual repair take? And do they just plug
>into the electronics to make the change or have to change out the
>module itself?
My 2009 was completed this week. Car in @ 0945, promised beween 3-4
p.m. and that included oil change and state inspection. Their work
estimate for the 4 hours, for what I understand is simply a software
reprogramming . Was ready @ noon.
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 9 2011 2:26 pm
From: "tww1491"
"Observer" wrote in message
news:ug2397tirgmg673fmleqfe7hikfuu466p6@4ax.com...
I just got in the mail a safety recall on my 2010 CR-V. It has to do
with the auto transmission control module software. I called one
dealer and they said to allow 1/2 day but realistically if anyone
knows, how long does the actual repair take? And do they just plug
into the electronics to make the change or have to change out the
module itself?
My wife's CRV was done together with an A1 service -- total time was a
little over an hour.
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 9 2011 3:20 pm
From: Tegger
"Observer" <fake@net.com> wrote in news:ug2397tirgmg673fmleqfe7hikfuu466p6@
4ax.com:
> I just got in the mail a safety recall on my 2010 CR-V. It has to do
> with the auto transmission control module software. I called one
> dealer and they said to allow 1/2 day but realistically if anyone
> knows, how long does the actual repair take? And do they just plug
> into the electronics to make the change or have to change out the
> module itself?
This one is just a software flash. Probably takes less than a half-hour,
all told. The "1/2 day" thing would have more to do with the service
department's workflow than anything else. It basically means they're not
quite sure exactly when they're going to get to your car, depending on what
happens with the ones that come before it.
--
Tegger
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 9 2011 3:37 pm
From: "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
In article <Xns9F79BA98F97F7tegger@208.90.168.18>,
Tegger <invalid@example.com> wrote:
> This one is just a software flash.
hehehe Yeah, just like I had to get a new control module, complete with
new software, when Honda replaced my 02 Odyssey transmission last year.
And just like Honda reflashed the ECUs on all those Civic hybrids that
were going through batteries.
The SOLE purpose of this and all other Honda "software flashes" is to
benefit Honda by making the car perform in such a way as to get it
through the warranty period--never mind how the car performs for the
customer afterward.
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 9 2011 4:21 pm
From: Tegger
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in news:elmop-
53A122.18370509102011@news.eternal-september.org:
> In article <Xns9F79BA98F97F7tegger@208.90.168.18>,
> Tegger <invalid@example.com> wrote:
>
>> This one is just a software flash.
>
> hehehe Yeah, just like I had to get a new control module, complete with
> new software, when Honda replaced my 02 Odyssey transmission last year.
>
> And just like Honda reflashed the ECUs on all those Civic hybrids that
> were going through batteries.
>
> The SOLE purpose of this and all other Honda "software flashes" is to
> benefit Honda by making the car perform in such a way as to get it
> through the warranty period--never mind how the car performs for the
> customer afterward.
>
Actually, most software flashes are designed to eliminate or ameliorate
undesirable or destructive behavior. ALL automakers perform such flashes
all the time, and not just to the transmission's control module. Spend a
bit of time on various automakers' Techinfo sites, and you'll see.
Everything these days is computer-controlled, and there is a very heavy
legislative emphasis on gas-mileage and emissions. The necessary level of
control required to achieve the results desired by your lawmakers means
that just about every aspect of engine/transmission behavior is subject to
some sort of computer adjustment.
Unfortunately -- especially after the legal lynching of innocent Toyota a
couple of years ago -- automakers have become extremely skittish and gun-
shy, issuing recalls and TSBs for just about anything, even if only a
handful of complaints have been received and no harm has resulted. This has
the effect of making the product /look/ defective even when it's actually
better than ever before. Plus the new regime muddies the waters: It's much
less clear now when a recall or TSB covers something actually harmful.
The '99-'04 Honda automatics had terrible problems, most of them due to bad
design (yours being one of them, unfortunately). This cost Honda very
dearly, something they cannot afford, with Hyundai breathing down their
necks. The '05-and-up automatics have a stellar reputation for reliability.
--
Tegger
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 9 2011 6:14 pm
From: "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
In article <Xns9F79C4E53E398tegger@208.90.168.18>,
Tegger <invalid@example.com> wrote:
> Actually, most software flashes are designed to eliminate or ameliorate
> undesirable or destructive behavior.
Like the hybrid flash?
Which was designed to do exactly what you describe.
BUT: the customer pays in lower gas mileage.
In days past, Honda would have apologized for designing/building a bad
traction battery, and would have replaced the battery with one that
actually works to make the car what the car is supposed to be. IOW,
Honda would have eliminated the undesirable behavior--the battery going
bad early--while simultaneously delivering on their promise of what the
car is supposed to be.
Instead, the new Honda simply flashes the software to basically limp the
battery along until Honda's obligations with respect to warranty claims
are over. That the flash takes the gas mileage down to what a Civic LX
gets every day without effort, is the customer's problem.
Honda has spent quite a bit of time figuring out how to solve THEIR
problems ($$$$$) in software. Whether it FIXES the problem, whether or
not the car the customer gets back is the car the customer bought or
THOUGHT he bought, doesn't matter to the new Honda.
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